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<p>Aleksey,<br>
if i'm right, the rule is, every member can ask for his last /22
allocation.<br>
So If you need more /22, than you have two options:<br>
1) buy from the market<br>
2) register a new LIR, ask for the /22 (and maybe merge your
accounts later)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019. 01. 18. 13:15, Aleksey
Bulgakov wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi.
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<div dir="auto">RIPE can say that each /22 must be registered in
additional account. Don't you know our dear RIPE, do you?)))</div>
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<div dir="ltr">пт, 18 янв. 2019 г., 14:40 Azer Karyagdy <a
href="mailto:azer@karyagdy.com" moz-do-not-send="true">azer@karyagdy.com</a>:<br>
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Ivaylo,<br>
<br>
You miss important point from RIPE. RIPE do not sell anything.
RIPE is non profit organisation based on membership. Each
member charged only for membership and nothing more. Therefore
membership fee have not any relation with number of resources
hold by each member. Therefore, before talking about charge
schemes we need change this base terms. I am agreed (as i
believe and many other LIR's) that current situation seems to
be unfair and it is not stimulate big actor to free up unused
ipv4 ip's. It is usual practice in the world that who taken
more resources pay for more. IPV4 is resources and they has
own cost on free market. We cannot ignore this. Perhaps we
need some explanation from RIPE to get more details why RIPE
cannot use this way? May be some legal issue existing? <br>
<br>
Best Regards<br>
Azer<br>
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----- Исходное сообщение -----<br>
> <br>
> Hello, Gert<br>
> <br>
> Yes, you are right the maths do not allow. In future it
is sure we<br>
> will<br>
> have to migrate to IPV6 because IPV4 cant cover the
needs.<br>
> <br>
> BUT....<br>
> <br>
> To can migration happen we all (LIRs) must be pushed in
almost same<br>
> time.<br>
> This will not happen if one LIR strugling with resources
need, and<br>
> other<br>
> have bunch of unused such. Even the fee per year for
single IPV4 to<br>
> become<br>
> 1000 EURO it will put presure on some LIRs and not to
all. We are<br>
> going on<br>
> that way now. And it only opens the door for some people
to make easy<br>
> money from us fast.<br>
> <br>
> Also the charging scheme must be FAIR for all members. I
cant see<br>
> other<br>
> way than to be calculate on consumed resources.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Such charging scheme that we are talking about was never
been in the<br>
> past.<br>
> Before 2014, I think, The charging scheme was based on
categories<br>
> with<br>
> complicated calculation of assignments from previous and
current year<br>
> and<br>
> something like this.<br>
> <br>
> Now I am talking about such scheme:<br>
> <br>
> LIR-1 have 1 x /24 annual membership fee:<br>
> 350 EURO<br>
> <br>
> LIR-2 have 4 x /24 annual membership fee:<br>
> 350 EURO + (4-1) * 10 EURO = 380 EURO<br>
> <br>
> LIR-3 have 64 x /24 annual membership fee:<br>
> 350 EURO + (64-1) * 10 EURO = 990 EURO<br>
> <br>
> LIR-4 have 1024 x /24 annual membership fee:<br>
> 350 EURO + (1024-1) * 10 EURO = 10580 EURO<br>
> <br>
> Also changing in rules:<br>
> LIR cant sell give on lease or transfer to other LIR
resources. If<br>
> you<br>
> need resources ask RIPE NCC, to lower your fee and have
unused<br>
> resources<br>
> return to RIPE NCC.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Ivaylo Josifov<br>
> Varteh LTD<br>
> Varna Bulgaria<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019, Gert Doering wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Hi,<br>
> ><br>
> > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 08:33:34PM +0100, Thomas
Gallo - Nice Blue<br>
> > srl wrote:<br>
> >> this sound a very nice approach that could
clearly put all on the<br>
> >> same<br>
> >> plane: you can spend as you need ipv4 or you can
return them if<br>
> >> you<br>
> >> don't use it...<br>
> ><br>
> > The maths do not permit "spend as you need IPv4".
The big telcos<br>
> > with<br>
> > tens of millions of users and the cloud providers
provably *need*<br>
> > all IPv4<br>
> > there is. We've been at this point before, like, 15
years ago...<br>
> ><br>
> > Gert Doering<br>
> > -- NetMaster<br>
> > --<br>
> > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<br>
> ><br>
> > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian
v. Bomhard,<br>
> > Michael Emmer<br>
> > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.:
A.<br>
> > Grundner-Culemann<br>
> > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG
Muenchen)<br>
> > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.:
DE813185279<br>
> ><br>
> <br>
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