<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;">We heard it many times, that's why the new Memberships costs 3400 euro. May be the DHL service is too expensive and the NCC should change it to Pony Express for example)))</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;"> </div><span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#222222;float:none;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-weight:400;text-align:start;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;">>RIPE NCC does not earn quick money, it is a non-profit organisation and not a self-service shop.</span></div><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> </div><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">04.12.2018, 17:30, "ripe-member-discuss+lr@c2play.de" <ripe-member-discuss+lr@c2play.de>:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family:Arial;text-align:left;font-size:14px;color:#000000;">@Dmitry:</div><div style="font-family:Arial;text-align:left;font-size:14px;color:#000000;">RIPE NCC does not earn quick money, it is a non-profit organisation and not a self-service shop.</div><div style="font-family:Arial;text-align:left;font-size:14px;color:#000000;"><br /></div><div style="font-family:Arial;text-align:left;font-size:14px;color:#000000;">@Lutz Donnerhacke:<br />I'm not sure what you mean, but it is allowed for a single company to create multiple LIR accounts and so get multiple IPv4 /22 at the end of the day. That is absolutely conform to RIPE policy.</div><div style="font-family:Arial;text-align:left;font-size:14px;color:#000000;"><br /><br /><hr style="border:0;border-bottom:1px solid #DADADA;" /><b>From:</b> Dmitry Vorozhtsov <<a href="http:///email/new/1/dvorozhtsov%40gmail.com">dvorozhtsov@gmail.com</a>><br /><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 4. Dec 2018 – 12:09 CET +0100<br /><b>To:</b> <a href="http:///email/new/1/members-discuss%40ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br /><br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] LIR???s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need support<br /><br /></div><div>
<pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;color:#173860;">You are wrong. All my addresses are assigned and working. You may ask -
why do I open LIRs again and again?
Because I need more addresses to offer to my customers. Purchasing
addresses from open market is risky. Thats why I open new LIRs.
RIPE earns quick money in this case, not me.
Regards, Dmitry.
04.12.2018 19:41, Paolo Prandini пишет:
> I was worried so much about this discussion starting again!
> I suppose a lot of people is interested in it, as far as I can
> understand is a
> matter of quick money by buying and reselling the last IPv4 blocks,
> and RIPE is
> NOT making this easy enough for some people. Then there are legitimate
> claims, but the rules were so easy to understand, 1k IPs for new LIRs,
> that there is always someone trying to bend them to make some more money.
> Anyway it is the way it goes, the world moves where it finds the money,
> I suppose it is a corollary of finding the minimum of potential energy.
> But I am not interested in this discussion, it goes on and on and on
> since more than a year, I am unsubscribing to the list. Thanks anybody
> who contributed.
> Paolo
>
> Il 04/12/2018 11:25, ripe-member-discuss+lr@c2play.de ha scritto:
>> > Sebastian Wiesinger sebastian.wiesinger at noris.net [Tue Dec 4
>> 08:53:56 CET 2018]
>> > The RIPE NCC fees are anually. As a convenience *to you* you can also
>> > pay them quarterly (we don't). This has been discussed multiple times.
>>
>> > Regards
>>
>> > Sebastian
>>
>> That is, in the light of the matter of this discussion, not quite
>> correct. Yes, the fees are annual - but they are charged on a pro
>> rata basis, so for example, LIRs don't pay a full annual fee of
>> €1,400 when they become LIR in the last quarter of 2018. They only
>> pay for the last quarter of 2018.
>>
>> What the starter of the discussion criticizes is that LIRs not only
>> have to pay member fees retroactively, they also have to pay it when
>> those LIRs are not involved in the transfer at all.
>>
>> To be honest, I think that RIPE NCC is a very fair RIR, if not the
>> fairest. But I also admit that this rule is quite confusing: To
>> prevent impatient people from creating a LIR in the last quarter of a
>> year, then transfering the resource(s) and closing the LIR to make
>> fast money, we already have a rule which states that scarce resources
>> cannot be transfered within the first 24 months after the resource
>> was allocated.
>>
>> There may be also other reasons for companies to create multiple LIRs
>> than making fast money. Many people do legitime business. Also in the
>> earlier days of RIPE NCC some companies had multiple LIRs.
>>
>> With that said, I don't think the way how fees are charged for such
>> transfers is consistent, it is quite confusing. On the other hand
>> RIPE NCC has a legitime interest to prevent people from making fast
>> money; but here we already have an effective rule: The 24 months
>> restriction.
>>
>> So the question is: What is the reason for this rule if you think we
>> need it to be kept?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:*Dave Benwell <dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk
>> </email/new/1/dave%40it-communicationsltd.co.uk>>
>> *Sent:*Tuesday, 4. Dec 2018 – 10:39 CET +0100
>> *To:*Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian.wiesinger@noris.net
>> </email/new/1/sebastian.wiesinger%40noris.net>>
>> members-discuss@ripe.net </email/new/1/members-discuss%40ripe.net>
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [members-discuss] LIR’s billing issues with RIPE NCC,
>> need support
>>
>> Additional accounts are normally setup to get more IP Space
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On
>> Behalf Of Sebastian Wiesinger
>> Sent: 04 December 2018 07:54
>> To: members-discuss@ripe.net
>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] LIR’s billing issues with RIPE NCC,
>> need support
>>
>> * Juri <hostmaster@ntx.ru> [2018-12-04 08:09]:
>> > I suggest RIPE NCC do correct accounting for each LIR for the time
>> > this LIR instance exists. If LIR has annual billing - then RIPE NCC
>> > should use it. If LIR selected quarterly billing - RIPE NCC show
>> use. > But RIPE NCC should not overcharge LIRs for the time they
>> didn't give > any services for LIR instance.
>>
>> The RIPE NCC fees are anually. As a convenience *to you* you can also
>> pay them quarterly (we don't). This has been discussed multiple times.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
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