Hello,<div><br></div><div>First my email Mohamed@Bubtaina.com is the same as Mohamed.Bubtaina@Bubtaina.com but I send my emails on the run, I think nobody in here never suffered a breach or have had stolen a password or some of the kind in any way, to start with, nobody should talk for in the name of someone else and should be careful of the person submitting the email is actually him. And not someone using his email so to know who everyone is referring to. RIPE, Like IANA, Like ICANN has a set of rules and regulations which we had a general election and agreed on the agenda and on new agreements. Quarterly yearly each has his own personal circumstances which if can’t pay or want to make a different deal would do it directly with RIPE administration, if it needs voting from NCC members then shall it be when they see necessary. If your organisation is registered doesn’t mean it has an LIR I have my subsidiaries as maintainers for my own infrastructure which if it is a problem, I’ll be glad to remove but doesn’t change the fact that they have no resources except me which is the same as my company which is one and not 2 according to my contract that I signed for NCC .whatever the regulations commits to I follow sometimes you don’t notice due to many interferences.but I thought that’s what NCC members stand.s for we work as a network not individual! Why not talk about having each NCC member an HPC dedicated VPN server for us and our work? Wouldn’t that be a good idea! With the Atlas Probe and An Anchor which we could buy also, in collaboration with IANA and ICANN to maybe connect other RIR within we could cut lots of issues and problems and keep and eye on data network flow making sure our iOS aren’t being used for malpractice and fraud and crimes! I that could be the reason why some want to get rid of part of their Resources! They cant keep and eye for data privacy GDPR regulations policies law and other, on 1024 people device application network or someone using illegally their ips right! Well that’s coming from an MBA student with human resource information system and management background.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Bubtaina<br><br>On Friday, 20 July 2018, Max Tulyev <<a href="mailto:maxtul@netassist.ua">maxtul@netassist.ua</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>As I understand people who started that topic:</p>
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<p>1. They have several LIRs for one company.</p>
<p>2. Last LIR was opened in 2nd quarter of this year, and payments
are QUARTERLY.<br>
</p>
<p>3. They wish to transfer resource from ANOTHER LIR (NOT the last
one was opened this year).<br>
</p>
4. RIPE NCC issued the invoice for that ANOTHER LIR for 1st quarter,
when that LIR did not exists.<br>
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5. To let the transfer from FIRST LIR, they have to paid for 1st
quarter of the SECOND LIR, which was opened in 2nd quarter.<br>
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So, it violates points 1 and 2(3) of what you said below (and common
sense, of course).<br>
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20.07.18 16:32, Christoph Neukirch пише:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Guys,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">There is no problem.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">What’s so hard to read and understand the rules
and policies. It has been written and described multiple
times in this thread. And policies has been accepted signing
the contract with RIPE NCC.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">In simple short words:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li style="color:#1f497d;margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">For opening a LIR in the middle of the year
you have to pay the current and all following quarters for
the current year.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="color:#1f497d;margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">If you want to close a LIR, you have to pay
at least ONE FULL annual fee for this LIR, no matter if
it’s the first year and you would only have to pay for
quarters from the creation of the year.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="color:#1f497d;margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">Same applies to your wish to transfer
resources.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="color:#1f497d;margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">Annual means once every year, not once in a
timeframe including 12 months.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li style="color:#1f497d;margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">You DON’T pay for resources, you pay for
services from RIPE NCC, both sides using policies and
rules developed by the RIPE community.<u></u><u></u></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Having said this, I second the opinion to not
expect too much sympathy on this topic. And IMHO you’ll
achieve the opposite pushing this topic any further.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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