<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Guys,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There is no problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What’s so hard to read and understand the rules and policies. It has been written and described multiple times in this thread. And policies has been accepted signing the contract with RIPE NCC.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In simple short words:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc"> <li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:#1F497D;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"> <span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For opening a LIR in the middle of the year you have to pay the current and all following quarters for the current year.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:#1F497D;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"> <span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If you want to close a LIR, you have to pay at least ONE FULL annual fee for this LIR, no matter if it’s the first year and you would only have to pay for quarters from the creation of the year.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:#1F497D;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"> <span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Same applies to your wish to transfer resources.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:#1F497D;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"> <span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Annual means once every year, not once in a timeframe including 12 months.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:#1F497D;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"> <span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You DON’T pay for resources, you pay for services from RIPE NCC, both sides using policies and rules developed by the RIPE community.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Having said this, I second the opinion to not expect too much sympathy on this topic. And IMHO you’ll achieve the opposite pushing this topic any further.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Christoph Neukirch<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>???? ????????<br> <b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 20. Juli 2018 11:10<br> <b>To:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If they have 5 LIRs, so that means RIPE NCC gave them this possibility.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Instead of attacking the company Bignet, which according to the policy registered 5 lirs. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">(You have the right to register as many LIRs as you want)<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">you'd rather have paid attention to the problem they described.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">RIPE asks to pay for 3 months for the service that was not provided.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If the payment is annual, ok, lets be the payment for the period 04.2018-04.2019.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre> <pre><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Kind regards, Inna<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US"><br> --- </span>Оригінальне повідомлення<span lang="EN-US"> ---<br> </span>Від кого<span lang="EN-US">: "Viethen, Christoph" <</span><a href="mailto:viethen@itc.rwth-aachen.de"><span lang="EN-US">viethen@itc.rwth-aachen.de</span></a><span lang="EN-US">><br> </span>Дата<span lang="EN-US">: 19 </span>липня<span lang="EN-US"> 2018, 10:49:20<o:p></o:p></span></p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div id="xfmi1"> <p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I'm getting the impression we have quite a lot of experts on Dutch law around on this list. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Fascinating!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Kind regards, C.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"> <hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"> </div> <div id="xfmi2"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> members-discuss <</span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_self"><span lang="EN-US">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">> on behalf of </span><span style="color:black">Сергій</span><span style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">Черьомуш</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> <</span><a href="mailto:bestseller.group@ukr.net" target="_self"><span lang="EN-US">bestseller.group@ukr.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">><br> <b>Sent:</b> 17 July 2018 11:26:59<br> <b>To:</b> Aleksey Bulgakov<br> <b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_self"><span lang="EN-US">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly</span><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"There isn't a secret that noncommercial organisation earns money and doesn't want to share it."</span></i><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Each organization has its own set of rules, but they can not contradict the law.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I also do not understand how it is possible to bill for a service under the agreement "after the fact".</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Kind regards, Sergey Cheromush</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">17 </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">липня</span></i><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> 2018, 10:57:45, </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">від</span></i><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> "Aleksey Bulgakov" <</span></i><a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com" target="_blank"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</span></i></a><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>:</span></i><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">There isn't a secret that noncommercial organisation earns money and doesn't want to share it. But it shows that it cares about members trying to keep IPv4 pool available for future business so long asit possible. But there is market where everyone can buy necessary IPv4 without request to mantioned organisation.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">вт<span lang="EN-US">, 17 </span>Июл<span lang="EN-US"> 2018 </span>г<span lang="EN-US">., 9:05 Andrey Levrinets <</span><a href="mailto:levrinets.andrey@ukr.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">levrinets.andrey@ukr.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US">>:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi all,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"A member must pay the full annual service fee for each LIR account(s) held before they can transfer resources or close their LIR account(s)"</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">There is no word about accounts that have not been active for the full year.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">--</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Andrey</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">16 </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">липня</span></i><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> 2018, 13:01:52, </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">від</span></i><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> "Freethought Hostmaster" <</span></i><a href="mailto:hostmaster@freethought-internet.co.uk" target="_blank"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">hostmaster@freethought-internet.co.uk</span></i></a><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>:</span></i><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi Jens,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Actually, the RIPE service fee for new members is charged on a pro-rata basis, so if you join part way through the year, then you only pay for part of the year. I seem to recall that this is done down quarterly granularity.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">See </span><a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/billing-procedure-and-fee-schedule-2018#fees-for-new-members" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/billing-procedure-and-fee-schedule-2018#fees-for-new-members</span></a><span lang="EN-GB"> for example.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Edward Dore <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Freethought Internet</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">members-discuss <</span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">> on behalf of Jens Ott <</span><a href="mailto:ripe@opteamax.de" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">ripe@opteamax.de</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br> <b>Date: </b>Monday, 16 July 2018 at 07:02<br> <b>To: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">" <</span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly <o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi,<br> <br> Please read the charging scheme carefully, it only talks about an annual fee. The offer to pay it in 4 steps is just an offer but doesn't change anything about the amount. There is no monthly fee or daily fee... There are no definitions that entering over the year reduces the costs. <br> <br> Maybe we should just remove that offer to not pay everything at once, this would decrease discussions and time for processing a transfer.<br> <br> BR<br> Jens<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">members-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm"><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm"><a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://mailman.ripe.net/</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">Unsubscribe: </span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/levrinets.andrey%40ukr.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/levrinets.andrey%40ukr.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre> </blockquote> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">_______________________________________________<br> members-discuss mailing list<br> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><br> </span><a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://mailman.ripe.net/</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><br> Unsubscribe: </span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmail.com" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmail.com</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </blockquote> </div> <pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">members-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm"><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_self"><span lang="EN-US">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm"><a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://mailman.ripe.net/</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US">Unsubscribe: </span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/bestseller.group%40ukr.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/bestseller.group%40ukr.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre> </blockquote> </div> <pre><span lang="EN-US">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre><span lang="EN-US">members-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_self"><span lang="EN-US">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre><a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://mailman.ripe.net/</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre><span lang="EN-US">Unsubscribe: </span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/navis.group%40ukr.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/navis.group%40ukr.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></pre> <pre><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>