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<br class=""><div style=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 25 Jun 2018, at 12:48, Elvis Daniel Velea <<a href="mailto:elvis@v4escrow.net" class="">elvis@v4escrow.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Erik,</div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">you have my support for the request below.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">@all - sorry for the top post</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">/elvis</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 01:37 Erik Bais <<a href="mailto:ebais@a2b-internet.com" class="">ebais@a2b-internet.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<a name="m_7391199416313222985__MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">Dear members, </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></a></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:9.0pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:15.6pt;background:white">
<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">I like to open a discussion to have the SSA updated into this century .. to allow for acceptance of the documents to be send in via the RIPE NCC
Portal ( with SSO ) or send in by email after being signed, or the RIPE NCC to use a method of digital signature like the usage of DocuSign, Echosign or something similar.
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<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">The acceptance of a digital signature has been allowed by EU law since December 1999, ( EU Directive 99/93/EG -
</span></span><span class=""></span><a href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:31999L0093" target="_blank" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica" class="">http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:31999L0093</span></span><span class=""></span></a><span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica" class="">
<span style="color:#58595b" class=""> ) and implemented in Dutch law since 2003 (</span></span></span><a href="http://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0015046/2003-05-21" target="_blank" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica" class="">http://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0015046/2003-05-21</span></span><span class=""></span></a><span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">
) </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:9.0pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:15.6pt;background:white">
<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">We are currently in 2018 and the SSA still refers to a device that most of our children never heard of or have seen ..... named a fax machine…
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<span class=""></span><a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-673" target="_blank" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica" class="">https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-673</span></span><span class=""></span></a><span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">
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<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">Article 2 – General</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:9.0pt;background:white"><span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#333333" class="">2.1 The RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement shall come into effect by means of
an offer and an acceptance.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:9.0pt;background:white"><span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#333333" class="">2.2 To enter into the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement, the following documents
have to be sent to the RIPE NCC by post or fax:</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm;background:white">
<span class=""><u class=""></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"" class="">
</span></span></span><u class=""></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#333333" class="">One copy of the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement containing the handwritten signature of an authorised representative of the Member</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm;background:white">
<span class=""><u class=""></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"" class="">
</span></span></span><u class=""></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#333333" class="">A recent extract from the Commercial Trade Register or equivalent document proving the registration of the Member with the national authorities.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:9.0pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:15.6pt;background:white">
<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#333333" class="">Upon receipt of these documents by the RIPE NCC, the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement is considered to be concluded. The RIPE NCC shall not commence
the provision of the RIPE NCC services until these documents have been received. Conclusion of the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement establishes a RIPE NCC membership.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:9.0pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:15.6pt;background:white">
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<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">While most of the fax implementations these days, including the one at the RIPE NCC office, is a device that stores an image copy of a document on
a server. Not many companies have a paper print fax anymore these days..</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:9.0pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:15.6pt;background:white">
<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">That document from those fax or multi-copier devices can then be printed by the local printer or stored digitally in a database attached to a LIR
application as an attachment. Similar as if someone would scan the signed SSA and email the document ..
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<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">However the current wording in the SSA doesn’t allow for that type of scenario .. and it should be updated to a more neutral wording to allow a better
usage of technology. </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:9.0pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:15.6pt;background:white">
<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">If we can sign for a mortgage application in The Netherlands using a digital signature, why can’t we apply for a new LIR with a digital signature.
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<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">This will also allow for a much smoother new members to complete their application ..
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<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">Using digital signatures will reduce the fees to DHL, speed up the complete on-boarding process and reduce the handling fees at the RIPE office.
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<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">For those that like to keep doing things, like we always did .. The city of Amsterdam is also in the process to dis-allow the usage of horse and
carriage in the city. </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:9.0pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:15.6pt;background:white">
<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">So if someone would like to take a ride by horse carriage to the postal office and use their fax machine there .. that is something that you cannot
do for a long time anymore as well … </span></span><a href="https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/na-bierfiets-is-het-ook-einde-verhaal-voor-paardenkoets-in-centrum-amsterdam~a4580876/" target="_blank" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica" class="">https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/na-bierfiets-is-het-ook-einde-verhaal-voor-paardenkoets-in-centrum-amsterdam~a4580876/</span></span><span class=""></span></a><span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">
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<span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class="">And for countries that don’t allow the usage of digital signatures or members that don’t want to use the new digital signature system, there is always
the option to request the paper SSA to be send via DHL and have it signed and returned. Similar as we are currently also allowing those options for invoices …
</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#58595b" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt" class="">Kind regards,</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt" class="">Erik Bais
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