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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/16/2018 10:31 PM, William wrote:<br>
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<div data-crea="font-wrapper" style="font-family: Tahoma;
font-size: 16px; direction: ltr">>So on any price increase
that you know a loophole for to avoid.<br>
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<div>Well, obviously he/others/i do? I do not see this as any
problem, it is nothing forbidden or 'wrong'.</div>
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<div>Hell, if RIPE charges me per size for legacy i can pay it
as PI, if they do it for PI or increase PI fees insanely...
it's still mine, it might end up with APNIC or "DB fixed"
unchangeable but free/lower cost (and everyone else that has
no choice to move will be punished).</div>
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Interesting enough other RIRs believe this is wrong enough, that
they do not allow it.<br>
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If you have both non-legacy resources at APNIC and want to manage
legacy through them, they bill you for both.<br>
And putting it in a separate non-member account is not going to help
against that.<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.apnic.net/about-apnic/corporate-documents/documents/membership/non-member-fees/#IPv4">https://www.apnic.net/about-apnic/corporate-documents/documents/membership/non-member-fees/#IPv4</a><br>
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If a Non-Member holds IPv4 addresses that have been allocated by
APNIC, then the Non-Member’s total IPv4 address holdings, including
all Historical and APNIC-allocated address space, will be used to
assess the IPv4 component of the annual address fee as follows:<br>
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Feev4 = 1,200 x 1.308(log2(Addresses)-8)<br>
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<div>You seem to understand how the process works within RIPE, but
this will ultimately just end as above, our loophole is not
really fixable (i think we now all know "taking legacy IPs away"
is theft de-jure, right?).</div>
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I am not talking about taking away, I am talking about not providing
any services to it.<br>
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Is it theft if a city refused to collect the trash from someone that
claims his own republic and refuses to pay the council tax that
facilitates that? :-)<br>
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Yours sincerely,<br>
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Floris Bos<br>
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