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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Psst, you aren't on an email chain, you
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      On 05/14/2018 07:19 AM, Office MEGs wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            too please.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thank
            you! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                members-discuss
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] <b>On Behalf
                  Of </b>Gjurovski Vladimir<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 14, 2018 2:05 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> 'John Jeffery'
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:johnjeffery@e-wire.co.uk"><johnjeffery@e-wire.co.uk></a>; David Benwell
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk"><dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk></a>; William
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:william@william.si"><william@william.si></a>; Bunea TELECOM
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"><suport@bunea.eu></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer
                (in)security<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Me also please<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
              lang="MK">Владимир Ѓуровски<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
              lang="MK">Оддел за ИТ и ТК технологии<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK">ЕВН Електродистрибуција ДООЕЛ<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK">ул. „11 Октомври“ бр. 9, 1000 Скопје<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK">T: +389 2 3205 300 – 4423</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="DE">2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK">M: +389 72 934 23</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="DE">2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:vladimir.gjurovski@evn.mk"
                moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="DE">vladimir.gjurovski</span><span
                  lang="MK">@evn.mk</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK"><a href="http://www.evn.mk"
                moz-do-not-send="true">www.evn.mk</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
                lang="MK">Користете ја енергијата разумно: помислете на
                животната средина пред да ја испечатите оваа електронска
                порака.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
              lang="EN-US">Vladimir Gjurovski<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
              lang="EN-US">IT and TK technology Department<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-GB">EVN Elektrodistribucija DOOEL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-GB">ul</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK">. „11 </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-GB">Oktomvri</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK">“ </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-GB">no</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK">. 9, 1000 </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-GB">Skopje<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="DE">T</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK">: +389 2 3205 300 – 4423</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="DE">2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="DE">M</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK">: +389 72 934 23</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="DE">2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:vladimir.gjurovski@evn.mk"
                moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="DE">vladimir.gjurovski</span><span
                  lang="MK">@evn.mk</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK"><a href="http://www.evn.mk"
                moz-do-not-send="true">www.evn.mk</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="MK"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-US">Use energy wisely: Please consider the
                environment before you print this email.</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [<a
                  href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Jeffery<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 14, 2018 1:46 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> David Benwell; William; Bunea TELECOM<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer
                (in)security<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
              lang="EN-US">guys can you take me off this email chain?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
              lang="EN-US">thanks v much<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
                lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
              lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <<a
                href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
                moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>>
              on behalf of David Benwell <<a
                href="mailto:dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk"
                moz-do-not-send="true">dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk</a>><br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 14, 2018 12:44:26 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> William; Bunea TELECOM<br>
              <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
                moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer
              (in)security</span><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-GB">William, Would you happen to be such holder
                of address apace?</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="xmsonormal"><b><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                      lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                    lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [<a
                      href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>William<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> 14 May 2018 11:47<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Bunea TELECOM <<a
                      href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">suport@bunea.eu</a>><br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> <a
                      href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
                    transfer (in)security</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                  style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                  lang="EN-GB">These are legacy. They are not RIR
                  business.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                    lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                    style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                    lang="EN-GB">No RIR can reclaim them (and reclaim is
                    plainly wrong, they never owned them, this is
                    pre-RIR space), they are private property.</span><span
                    lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                    style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                    lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                    style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                    lang="EN-GB">Taking them is theft and nothing else,
                    no matter how you phrase it.</span><span
                    lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                    lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="xmsonormal"><span
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                      lang="EN-GB">--</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="xmsonormal"><span
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                      lang="EN-GB">William Weber</span><span
                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                      style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                      lang="EN-GB">Consulting, Security & Management
                      - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia</span><span
                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                      style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                      lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                      style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                      lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://ip6.im/"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ip6.im</a> -
                      No RIPE LIR? Still read this email for some
                      reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP
                      usage. Or just get it anyway, can't hurt to have.</span><span
                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                      lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                    style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                    lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                    style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                    lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                      style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                      lang="EN-GB">On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:27, Bunea
                      TELECOM <<a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">suport@bunea.eu</a>>
                      wrote:</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                          lang="EN-GB">I agree,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                            lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                            lang="EN-GB">There are tens of /8’s
                            available, some of them even unannounced.
                            For example there are lots of entities which
                            if they would gave up (even partially) of
                            their unused blocks, it would push the IPv4
                            complete exaustion to 2020+. </span><span
                            lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
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                        <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                            lang="EN-GB">Thanks,</span><span
                            lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
                            lang="EN-GB">Petru</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"
                                lang="EN-GB">—</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"
                              lang="EN-GB"><br>
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                                src="cid:part15.559E7F53.47636570@privatesystems.net"
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                                height="73"></span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"
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                                <b>Petru Bunea</b> / CEO <br>
                                <a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#477CCC;text-decoration:none">suport@bunea.eu</span></a> / <a
                                  href="tel:+40752481282"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+40752481282</a></span><span
                                lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="xmsonormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#212121"
                                lang="EN-GB">Bunea TELECOM</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"
                              lang="EN-GB"> / DATACENTER / APP
                              DEVELOPMENT<br>
                              <a href="http://www.bunea.eu/"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#477CCC;text-decoration:none">http://www.bunea.eu</span></a> / <a
                                href="tel:+40745495495" target="_blank"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">+40745495495</a></span><span
                              lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
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                                  lang="EN-GB">On 14 May 2018, at 11:20,
                                  Janarthanan Sundaram <<a
                                    href="mailto:j.sundaram@123telcom.nl"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">j.sundaram@123telcom.nl</a>>
                                  wrote:</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
                                    lang="EN-GB">I think we should
                                    prioritize on on point two: what to
                                    do with unused blocks.</span><span
                                    lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
                                    lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
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                                    <p class="xmsonormal"><b><span
                                          style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                                          lang="EN-GB">Van:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                                        lang="EN-GB"> members-discuss
                                        <<a
                                          href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> <b>Namens </b>Bruno
                                        Carvalho<br>
                                        <b>Verzonden:</b> maandag 14 mei
                                        2018 10:11<br>
                                        <b>Aan:</b> <a
                                          href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                                        <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re:
                                        [members-discuss] VL: IP
                                        transfer (in)security</span><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="xmsonormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"
                                  lang="EN-GB">This discussion is quite
                                  interesting. But i think it should be
                                  discussed between all RiRs. Not only
                                  for RIPE.<br>
                                  When we look at big companies, like
                                  Microsoft, and do a simple scan of
                                  their assigned IP ranges... we found
                                  some /14 and several /16
                                  unassigned/unused ranges.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"
                                  lang="EN-GB"><br>
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                                </span><span
                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"
                                  lang="EN-GB">Personnally, i think we
                                  should focus on 2 main things:</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"
                                  lang="EN-GB"><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                </span><span
                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"
                                  lang="EN-GB">- Improve IPv6
                                  implementation all over the territory
                                  (i know this is painfull for many LIRs
                                  because it implies additional work and
                                  purchase of new equipments. But let's
                                  face it. We are in 2018. If an
                                  equipment doesn't support IPv6, it's
                                  very obsolete and not performant).</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"
                                  lang="EN-GB"><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                </span><span
                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"
                                  lang="EN-GB">- Check with the other
                                  RiRs what would be the best to do with
                                  those big unused ranges that are owned
                                  by companies that don't use them.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"
                                  lang="EN-GB"><br>
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                                </span><span
                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"
                                  lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><span
                                  lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                </span><span
                                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"
                                  lang="EN-GB">On 2018-05-14 09:51, Hans
                                  Govenius wrote:</span><span
                                  lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                    <p class="xmsonormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
                                        New"" lang="EN-GB">Hello<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Not needed IP = The addressese
                                        company is ready to sell for a
                                        small profit </span><span
                                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                                        UI Symbol",sans-serif"
                                        lang="EN-GB">😊</span><span
                                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
                                        New"" lang="EN-GB"> ? This
                                        is probably good indication that
                                        its not used anymore. One option
                                        is to automatically block all
                                        and any IP transaction which
                                        does not involve transaction of
                                        the whole company/business. It
                                        is a question that can IP be a
                                        commodity. Now its a commodity
                                        that is getting more rare by the
                                        year. Maybe IP should be
                                        considered an jointly owned part
                                        of infrastructure which is
                                        deployed by need basis.
                                        (Socialistic way)<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Other option is to start to take
                                        money per IP. This would
                                        instantly mean that everyone
                                        would look up to own ip spaces.
                                        Let say it would cost 1 euro /
                                        year for a IP it would only be
                                        approx 1000 euros for the
                                        smallest allocation. Someone
                                        with 10 million IP addressese
                                        are likely to happily pay for it
                                        fi they are in use, but if they
                                        are not i would think they would
                                        be handed back. (Capitalistic
                                        way)<br>
                                        <br>
                                        One option is also to go with
                                        the current system because
                                        internet is working so its not
                                        horribly wrong at the moment
                                        either. <br>
                                        <br>
                                        One interesting this is tho that
                                        old LIR:s are likely to wanting
                                        to keep these things unchanged.
                                        New LIR:s are more likely to
                                        want changes as this is heavily
                                        favoring old LIR:s. And every
                                        year a proportionally larger
                                        part will be the ones with few
                                        IP:s and same vote than the one
                                        with alot of IP:s and also only
                                        1 vote. <br>
                                        <br>
                                        Br. Hans <br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
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                                        Aihe: Re: [members-discuss] VL:
                                        IP transfer (in)security<br>
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                                        W dniu 14.05.2018 o 09:25,
                                        Philip Donner pisze: </span><span
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                                        I would like to amplify Dave's
                                        good proposal, by suggesting
                                        that unused addresses should be
                                        handed back to RIPE, so that
                                        they can be added to a pool of
                                        addresses reserved for LIRs who
                                        needs them for non-profit
                                        promotion of IP networks.</span><span
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                                        Ok, but there is never ending
                                        story to resolve: how to define
                                        'unused addresses'. Because not
                                        announced in BGP definitely !=
                                        not used.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        -- <br>
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                                        Tomasz Śląski<br>
                                        pl.skonet<br>
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