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On 05/14/2018 07:41 AM, Ion Rebeja wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, May 14, 2018, 15:38 Office MEGs <<a
href="mailto:office@megsolutions.com" moz-do-not-send="true">office@megsolutions.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Me
too please.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank
you! </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
members-discuss [mailto:<a
href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gjurovski Vladimir<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 14, 2018 2:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'John Jeffery' <<a
href="mailto:johnjeffery@e-wire.co.uk"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">johnjeffery@e-wire.co.uk</a>>;
David Benwell <<a
href="mailto:dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk</a>>;
William <<a href="mailto:william@william.si"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">william@william.si</a>>;
Bunea TELECOM <<a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">suport@bunea.eu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
transfer (in)security</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Me also please</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
lang="MK">Владимир Ѓуровски</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
lang="MK">Оддел за ИТ и ТК технологии</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK">ЕВН Електродистрибуција ДООЕЛ</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK">ул. „11 Октомври“ бр. 9, 1000 Скопје</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK">T: +389 2 3205 300 – 4423</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="DE">2</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK">M: +389 72 934 23</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="DE">2</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"><a
href="mailto:vladimir.gjurovski@evn.mk"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="DE">vladimir.gjurovski</span><span
lang="MK">@evn.mk</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK"><a href="http://www.evn.mk"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.evn.mk</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK">Користете ја енергијата разумно:
помислете на животната средина пред да ја
испечатите оваа електронска порака.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
lang="EN-US">Vladimir Gjurovski</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red"
lang="EN-US">IT and TK technology Department</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-GB">EVN Elektrodistribucija DOOEL</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-GB">ul</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK">. „11 </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-GB">Oktomvri</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK">“ </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-GB">no</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK">. 9, 1000 </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-GB">Skopje</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="DE">T</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK">: +389 2 3205 300 – 4423</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="DE">2</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="DE">M</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK">: +389 72 934 23</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="DE">2</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"><a
href="mailto:vladimir.gjurovski@evn.mk"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="DE">vladimir.gjurovski</span><span
lang="MK">@evn.mk</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK"><a href="http://www.evn.mk"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.evn.mk</a></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="MK"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Use energy wisely: Please consider
the environment before you print this email.</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [<a
href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Jeffery<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 14, 2018 1:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Benwell; William; Bunea TELECOM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
transfer (in)security</span></p>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">guys can you take me off this email
chain?</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">thanks v much</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <<a
href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>>
on behalf of David Benwell <<a
href="mailto:dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 14, 2018 12:44:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> William; Bunea TELECOM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
transfer (in)security</span><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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<p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-GB">William, Would you happen to be such
holder of address apace?</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [<a
href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 14 May 2018 11:47<br>
<b>To:</b> Bunea TELECOM <<a
href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">suport@bunea.eu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
transfer (in)security</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">These are legacy. They are not RIR
business.</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">No RIR can reclaim them (and
reclaim is plainly wrong, they never owned
them, this is pre-RIR space), they are private
property.</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">Taking them is theft and nothing
else, no matter how you phrase it.</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">--</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">William
Weber</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Consulting,
Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel
/ Rijeka, Croatia</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
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<p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://ip6.im/" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ip6.im</a> -
No RIPE LIR? Still read this email for some
reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP
usage. Or just get it anyway, can't hurt to
have.</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
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<p class="m_5578169310785937683xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">On Mon,
May 14, 2018 at 12:27, Bunea TELECOM <<a
href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">suport@bunea.eu</a>>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">There are
tens of /8’s available, some of them
even unannounced. For example there
are lots of entities which if they
would gave up (even partially) of
their unused blocks, it would push the
IPv4 complete exaustion to 2020+. </span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Thanks,</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Petru</span><span
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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<b>Petru Bunea</b> / CEO <br>
<a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#477ccc;text-decoration:none">suport@bunea.eu</span></a> / <a
href="tel:+40752481282"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">+40752481282</a></span><span
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it should be discussed between
all RiRs. Not only for RIPE.<br>
When we look at big companies,
like Microsoft, and do a simple
scan of their assigned IP
ranges... we found some /14 and
several /16 unassigned/unused
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</span><span
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lang="EN-GB">- Improve IPv6
implementation all over the
territory (i know this is
painfull for many LIRs because
it implies additional work and
purchase of new equipments. But
let's face it. We are in 2018.
If an equipment doesn't support
IPv6, it's very obsolete and not
performant).</span><span
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</span><span
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other RiRs what would be the
best to do with those big unused
ranges that are owned by
companies that don't use them.</span><span
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lang="EN-GB">Hello<br>
<br>
Not needed IP = The
addressese company is
ready to sell for a small
profit </span><span
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Symbol",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">😊</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""
lang="EN-GB"> ? This is
probably good indication
that its not used anymore.
One option is to
automatically block all
and any IP transaction
which does not involve
transaction of the whole
company/business. It is a
question that can IP be a
commodity. Now its a
commodity that is getting
more rare by the year.
Maybe IP should be
considered an jointly
owned part of
infrastructure which is
deployed by need basis.
(Socialistic way)<br>
<br>
Other option is to start
to take money per IP. This
would instantly mean that
everyone would look up to
own ip spaces. Let say it
would cost 1 euro / year
for a IP it would only be
approx 1000 euros for the
smallest allocation.
Someone with 10 million IP
addressese are likely to
happily pay for it fi they
are in use, but if they
are not i would think they
would be handed back.
(Capitalistic way)<br>
<br>
One option is also to go
with the current system
because internet is
working so its not
horribly wrong at the
moment either. <br>
<br>
One interesting this is
tho that old LIR:s are
likely to wanting to keep
these things unchanged.
New LIR:s are more likely
to want changes as this is
heavily favoring old
LIR:s. And every year a
proportionally larger part
will be the ones with few
IP:s and same vote than
the one with alot of IP:s
and also only 1 vote. <br>
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Br. Hans <br>
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W dniu 14.05.2018 o 09:25,
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I would like to amplify
Dave's good proposal, by
suggesting that unused
addresses should be handed
back to RIPE, so that they
can be added to a pool of
addresses reserved for
LIRs who needs them for
non-profit promotion of IP
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Ok, but there is never
ending story to resolve:
how to define 'unused
addresses'. Because not
announced in BGP
definitely != not used.<br>
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