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<div class="">On 14 May 2018, at 12:47, Adrian
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wholeheartedly agree, it’s not in the best
interests of the internet community as a
whole to continue to allow huge amounts of
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;
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color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">No
its about preventing the waste of IP
Addresses. Why allow a LLR to retain
address space that they may never
have used.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<b class="">To:</b><span
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span
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[members-discuss] VL: IP
transfer (in)security<o:p
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<span style="font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif;" class="">But this
does not CHANGE IT IS THEFT,
please have a look at your history
(or here in Croatia) - you want to
do the same, steal from some parts
of the society ('the rich') to
'benefit' the whole which ends
horribly wrong.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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discussion is almost as absurd
as the Russian suggestion to
move RIPE to Moscow.<o:p
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<span style="font-family:
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Security & Management -
Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka,
Croatia<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- No RIPE LIR? Still read this
email for some reason? Grab a
/40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP
usage. Or just get it anyway,
can't hurt to have.<o:p
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Bunea TELECOM <<a
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<span style="font-family:
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says it’s theft, please
consider the fact that
those ‘guys’ got their
hands on /8 blocks tens of
years ago, and probably
did not pay a dime for
them.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family:
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events, one /8,
respecting the 1024 IPv4
policy that RIPE has,
would belong to over
16.000 LIR accounts!<o:p
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<span style="font-family:
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16.000 companies would
create a lot of business
compared to one company
that holds a /8 :)<o:p
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Alex Lobachov <<a
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parts of the
space should
be reclaimed,
but only ICANN
has the power
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don’t like to
call it a
thief, I’d
rather say as
all IP space
is rented
(owning a
number isn’t
bright), all
that rented
space,
wherever it is
legacy or
current should
be re-audited
to justify the
reason of use.<o:p
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<span
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class="">Legacy
or not, at one
point a
regulation was
introduced.
And everyone
should be
regulated
(pre-RIR or
not).<o:p
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the same has
if you own a
car from back
the traffic
laws (1800
years?). If
you drive it
now, you have
to comply with
all the laws
that regulate
the sector.<br
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Why the legacy
address space
owners
shouldn't have
to comply with
the actual
regulations?<o:p
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look deep on
the spaces
between
0.0.0.0 and
255.255.255.255
(that are not
local or
bogons), i bet
that most than
50% are legacy
and not used.<o:p
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consider the
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<span
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2018-05-14
12:46, William
wrote:<o:p
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<span
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are legacy.
They are not
RIR business.<o:p
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<span
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class="">No
RIR can
reclaim them
(and reclaim
is plainly
wrong, they
never owned
them, this is
pre-RIR
space), they
are private
property.<o:p
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<span
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them is theft
and nothing
else, no
matter how you
phrase it.<o:p
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Weber<o:p
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<span
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class="">Consulting,
Security &
Management -
Tel-Aviv,
Israel /
Rijeka,
Croatia<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class=""><a
href="https://ip6.im/"
target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://ip6.im</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- No RIPE LIR? Still read this
email for some
reason? Grab a
/40 *free*
IPv6 space for
BGP usage. Or
just get it
anyway, can't
hurt to have.<o:p
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<span
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Mon, May 14,
2018 at 12:27,
Bunea TELECOM
<<a
href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"
target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class=""
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agree,<span
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<span
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class="">There
are tens of
/8's
available,
some of them
even
unannounced.
For example
there are lots
of entities
which if they
would gave up
(even
partially) of
their unused
blocks, it
would push the
IPv4 complete
exaustion to
2020+.<span
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target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class=""
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style="color:
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href="tel:+40752481282" target="_blank" style="color: purple;
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TELECOM</span></b><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>/ DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT<br
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href="http://www.bunea.eu/"
target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
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discussion is
quite
interesting.
But i think it
should be
discussed
between all
RiRs. Not only
for RIPE.<br
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When we look
at big
companies,
like
Microsoft, and
do a simple
scan of their
assigned IP
ranges... we
found some /14
and several
/16
unassigned/unused
ranges.</span><span
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i think we
should focus
on 2 main
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</span><span
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Improve IPv6
implementation
all over the
territory (i
know this is
painfull for
many LIRs
because it
implies
additional
work and
purchase of
new
equipments.
But let's face
it. We are in
2018. If an
equipment
doesn't
support IPv6,
it's very
obsolete and
not
performant).</span><span
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Check with the
other RiRs
what would be
the best to do
with those big
unused ranges
that are owned
by companies
that don't use
them.</span><span
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Not needed IP
= The
addressese
company is
ready to sell
for a small
profit </span><span
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class=""> ?
This is
probably good
indication
that its not
used anymore.
One option is
to
automatically
block all and
any IP
transaction
which does not
involve
transaction of
the whole
company/business.
It is a
question that
can IP be a
commodity. Now
its a
commodity that
is getting
more rare by
the year.
Maybe IP
should be
considered an
jointly owned
part of
infrastructure
which is
deployed by
need basis.
(Socialistic
way)<br
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Other option
is to start to
take money per
IP. This would
instantly mean
that everyone
would look up
to own ip
spaces. Let
say it would
cost 1 euro /
year for a IP
it would only
be approx 1000
euros for the
smallest
allocation.
Someone with
10 million IP
addressese are
likely to
happily pay
for it fi they
are in use,
but if they
are not i
would think
they would be
handed back.
(Capitalistic
way)<br
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One option is
also to go
with the
current system
because
internet is
working so its
not horribly
wrong at the
moment
either. <br
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One
interesting
this is tho
that old LIR:s
are likely to
wanting to
keep these
things
unchanged. New
LIR:s are more
likely to want
changes as
this is
heavily
favoring old
LIR:s. And
every year a
proportionally
larger part
will be the
ones with few
IP:s and same
vote than the
one with alot
of IP:s and
also only 1
vote. <br
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proposal, by
suggesting
that unused
addresses
should be
handed back to
RIPE, so that
they can be
added to a
pool of
addresses
reserved for
LIRs who needs
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is never
ending story
to resolve:
how to define
'unused
addresses'.
Because not
announced in
BGP definitely
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