<div dir="ltr">You also only need the password to log in. It's a separate section. If you read the page you hit, there's a section below that with an Unsubscribe button. Clicking this button sends a verification email that you definitely want to be unsubscribed.<div><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">All the best,</span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Stuart</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Stuart Gilbertson<br>Consider IT Limited<br>Superior IT Support<br><br><a href="http://www.considerit.co.uk/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">www.considerit.co.uk</a><br>0131 510 0110<br><br>Please Note: This e-mail and any files that may be attached to it are for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and is strictly confidential.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender by replying to this message. In the event that you are not the intended recipient, you must not directly or indirectly copy, print, or otherwise disseminate this message in full or in part. </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Consider IT Ltd takes reasonable steps to ensure that our e-mails are virus-free, and in any event, accept no liability, either for any alterations made to this e-mail by third parties, or any viruses that it may contain, howsoever arising. </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Consider IT Ltd reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks.<br><br>Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity.</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 May 2018 at 14:40, Daniel Pearson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:daniel@privatesystems.net" target="_blank">daniel@privatesystems.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div class="m_682973729541845643moz-cite-prefix">Hi there,<br>
      <br>
      Make sure the link you are clicking actually includes your email
      address. That's where the smarts come in, look at the last bit of
      the URL, does it look like the one below.<br>
      <br>
      So for yours it will be this:
<a class="m_682973729541845643moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/Adrian.Bolster%40purebroadband.net" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/<wbr>mailman/options/members-<wbr>discuss/Adrian.Bolster%<wbr>40purebroadband.net</a><br>
      <br>
      Try that should work for you. <br>
      <br>
      Most likely you are 185.79.217.61 who's currently trying to reset
      my password. Sorry that's the wrong link!<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 05/14/2018 08:35 AM, Anas Tablieh wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Daniel<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">You don’t need to be smart to find the
          </span><span lang="EN-US">unsubscribe link, but I said many
            times IT DOESN’T WORK.. it need password , password can’t be
            reset !!!</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <div>
          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> Daniel Pearson
                <a class="m_682973729541845643moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:daniel@privatesystems.net" target="_blank"><daniel@privatesystems.net></a>
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> lundi 14 mai 2018 15:27<br>
                <b>To:</b> Adrian Bolster
                <a class="m_682973729541845643moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Adrian.Bolster@purebroadband.net" target="_blank"><Adrian.Bolster@purebroadband.<wbr>net></a>; Anas Tablieh
                <a class="m_682973729541845643moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ATablieh@sierrawireless.com" target="_blank"><ATablieh@sierrawireless.com></a>;
                <a class="m_682973729541845643moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer
                (in)security<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">It seems most people don't look at the
            links and click the first unsubscribe link they find, half
            the time not associated with their email address.
            <br>
            <br>
            I get them too... I blame technology for dumbing things down
            so people don't think. :)<br>
            <br>
            On 05/14/2018 08:24 AM, Adrian Bolster wrote:<span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Go
              on then… who tried to unsubscribe me?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
          <div>
            <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> members-discuss
                  <a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank"><members-discuss-bounces@ripe.<wbr>net></a>
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Pearson<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> 14 May 2018 13:50<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Anas Tablieh <a href="mailto:ATablieh@sierrawireless.com" target="_blank"><ATablieh@sierrawireless.com></a>;
                  <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer
                  (in)security</span><u></u><u></u></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Well, use your email address and reset
              it :)<br>
              <br>
              On 05/14/2018 07:48 AM, Anas Tablieh wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">unsubscribe link
                need a password !! </span>
              <u></u><u></u></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
            <div>
              <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> Daniel Pearson
                    <a href="mailto:daniel@privatesystems.net" target="_blank"><daniel@privatesystems.net></a>
                    <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> lundi 14 mai 2018 14:48<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Anas Tablieh <a href="mailto:ATablieh@sierrawireless.com" target="_blank"><ATablieh@sierrawireless.com></a>;
                    <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
                    transfer (in)security</span><u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Hi there,<br>
                <br>
                This is a mailing list, please use the unsubscribe link
                at the bottom of these emails that is associated with
                your email address!<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                On 05/14/2018 07:45 AM, Anas Tablieh wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please
                  remove my mail address from this chat !!!!!!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
              <div>
                <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> members-discuss
                      <a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank"><members-discuss-bounces@ripe.<wbr>net></a>
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Pearson<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> lundi 14 mai 2018 14:25<br>
                      <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
                      transfer (in)security</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">I concur, there is no legal leg to
                  stand on to force space to be returned. It just cannot
                  happen, end period. Thinking about it is nothing but a
                  fantasy and we live in reality.<br>
                  <br>
                  What your asking is no different than having a
                  complete stranger walk up to your house, admire your
                  big empty back yard, demand that you give it to them
                  because they want to build a house in your
                  neighborhood and well, you don't use your backyard so
                  why can't they have it for free?<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  On 05/14/2018 07:05 AM, Peter Linder wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <p>But there is no point in arguing this. It has been
                  discussed over and over:<u></u><u></u></p>
                <p>It is not feasible to "reclaim" legacy space, just
                  because you want it for free or at a very low cost.
                  Current holders have a good legal ground to refuse. 
                  Even if it was somehow reclaimed on a large scale, it
                  would last for a year or so? Remember, most addresses
                  would need to go to countries with large populations
                  where Internet is not built up like it is in Europe or
                  North America. Then what? Even if RIPE could
                  reallocate addresses to last a few more years it would
                  mean even *more* work to do v6, not less.
                  <u></u><u></u></p>
                <p>Just buy the addresses you need, if more than RIPE
                  will allocate to you. I know this sucks, especially in
                  poorer countries. But that is probably the only way
                  your business is going to happen, in the short term.
                  An alternative would be to bother the IETF to release
                  their reserved space but that is probably a waste of
                  time (never mind de-bogonizing it).<u></u><u></u></p>
                <p>Right now IPv4 shortage is hurting a little because
                  of cost. It will eventually start hurting more, and in
                  different ways. There are ways to prepare for that,
                  including making sure v6 is enabled and functioning on
                  everything you make.
                  <u></u><u></u></p>
                <p>/Peter<u></u><u></u></p>
                <p> <u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Den 2018-05-14 kl. 13:38, skrev
                    David Benwell:<u></u><u></u></p>
                </div>
                <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">No
                      its about preventing the waste of IP Addresses.
                      Why allow a LLR to retain address space that they
                      may never have used.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <div>
                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [</span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">mailto:members-discuss-<wbr>bounces@ripe.net</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>William<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> 14 May 2018 12:32<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Bunea TELECOM </span><a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><suport@bunea.eu></span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
                          transfer (in)security</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">But
                        this does not CHANGE IT IS THEFT, please have a
                        look at your history (or here in Croatia) - you
                        want to do the same, steal from some parts of
                        the society ('the rich') to 'benefit' the whole
                        which ends horribly wrong.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">This
                          discussion is almost as absurd as the Russian
                          suggestion to move RIPE to Moscow.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">--</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">William
                            Weber</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Consulting,
                            Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel
                            / Rijeka, Croatia</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://ip6.im" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">https://ip6.im</span></a><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> - No RIPE LIR? Still
                            read this email for some reason? Grab a /40
                            *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just get
                            it anyway, can't hurt to have.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                            Mon, May 14, 2018 at 13:16, Bunea TELECOM
                            <</span><a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                that says it’s theft, please consider
                                the fact that those ‘guys’ got their
                                hands on /8 blocks tens of years ago,
                                and probably did not pay a dime for
                                them.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">In
                                  the light of events, one /8,
                                  respecting the 1024 IPv4 policy that
                                  RIPE has, would belong to over 16.000
                                  LIR accounts!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                  I must say, 16.000 companies would
                                  create a lot of business compared to
                                  one company that holds a /8 :)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                      <b>Petru Bunea</b> / CEO <br>
                                    </span><a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#477ccc;text-decoration:none">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> / </span><a href="tel:+40752481282" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">+40752481282</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#212121">Bunea
                                      TELECOM</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> /
                                    DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT<br>
                                  </span><a href="http://www.bunea.eu/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#477ccc;text-decoration:none">http://www.bunea.eu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> / </span><a href="tel:+40745495495" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">+<wbr>40745495495</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On
                                        14 May 2018, at 14:16, Alex
                                        Lobachov <</span><a href="mailto:alxl@telenet.lv" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">alxl@telenet.lv</span></a><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                has it’s point.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Legacy
                                                parts of the space
                                                should be reclaimed, but
                                                only ICANN has the power
                                                to do so.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
                                                don’t like to call it a
                                                thief, I’d rather say as
                                                all IP space is rented
                                                (owning a number isn’t
                                                bright), all that rented
                                                space, wherever it is
                                                legacy or current should
                                                be re-audited to justify
                                                the reason of use.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                --<br>
                                                Alex Lobachov<br>
                                                Telenet, sia<br>
                                                Network Systems Engineer<br>
                                                LinkedIn: </span><a href="https://lv.linkedin.com/in/allxll" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">https://lv.linkedin.com/in/<wbr>allxll</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
                                                E-mail: </span><a href="mailto:alxl@telenet.lv" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">alxl@telenet.lv</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
                                                Skype: alxl__<br>
                                                Direct office: +371
                                                67886224<br>
                                                Office: +371 67711111</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
                                                    </span><a href="mailto:bruno.carvalho@xrv.pt" title="bruno.carvalho@xrv.pt" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Bruno
                                                        Carvalho</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
                                                      Monday, May 14,
                                                      2018 2:04 PM</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
                                                    </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" title="members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Re:
                                                      [members-discuss]
                                                      VL: IP transfer
                                                      (in)security</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">William,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Legacy or not, at one
                                                  point a regulation was
                                                  introduced. And
                                                  everyone should be
                                                  regulated (pre-RIR or
                                                  not).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is the same has if
                                                  you own a car from
                                                  back the traffic laws
                                                  (1800 years?). If you
                                                  drive it now, you have
                                                  to comply with all the
                                                  laws that regulate the
                                                  sector.<br>
                                                  Why the legacy address
                                                  space owners shouldn't
                                                  have to comply with
                                                  the actual
                                                  regulations?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If we look deep on
                                                  the spaces between
                                                  0.0.0.0 and
                                                  255.255.255.255 (that
                                                  are not local or
                                                  bogons), i bet that
                                                  most than 50% are
                                                  legacy and not used.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On 2018-05-14 12:46,
                                                  William wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">These are legacy. They
                                                    are not RIR
                                                    business.
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">No RIR can reclaim
                                                      them (and reclaim
                                                      is plainly wrong,
                                                      they never owned
                                                      them, this is
                                                      pre-RIR space),
                                                      they are private
                                                      property.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Taking them is theft
                                                      and nothing else,
                                                      no matter how you
                                                      phrase it.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Consulting, Security
                                                        & Management
                                                        - Tel-Aviv,
                                                        Israel / Rijeka,
                                                        Croatia</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://ip6.im/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">https://ip6.im</span></a><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> - No RIPE LIR? Still
                                                        read this email
                                                        for some reason?
                                                        Grab a /40
                                                        *free* IPv6
                                                        space for BGP
                                                        usage. Or just
                                                        get it anyway,
                                                        can't hurt to
                                                        have.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On Mon, May 14, 2018
                                                        at 12:27, Bunea
                                                        TELECOM <</span><a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">There are tens of /8's
                                                          available,
                                                          some of them
                                                          even
                                                          unannounced.
                                                          For example
                                                          there are lots
                                                          of entities
                                                          which if they
                                                          would gave up
                                                          (even
                                                          partially) of
                                                          their unused
                                                          blocks, it
                                                          would push the
                                                          IPv4 complete
                                                          exaustion to
                                                          2020+. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                          <strong><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Petru Bunea</span></strong> / CEO <br>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#212121">Bunea
                                                          TELECOM</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> /
                                                          DATACENTER /
                                                          APP
                                                          DEVELOPMENT<br>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On 14 May 2018, at
                                                          11:20,
                                                          Janarthanan
                                                          Sundaram <</span><a href="mailto:j.sundaram@123telcom.nl" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">j.sundaram@123telcom.nl</span></a><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
                                                          think we
                                                          should
                                                          prioritize on
                                                          on point two:
                                                          what to do
                                                          with unused
                                                          blocks.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Van:</span></strong><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss
                                                          <</span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.<wbr>net</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Namens </span></strong>Bruno
                                                          Carvalho<br>
                                                          <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Verzonden:</span></strong> maandag
                                                          14 mei 2018
                                                          10:11<br>
                                                          <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Aan:</span></strong> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
                                                          <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Onderwerp:</span></strong> Re:
[members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This
                                                          discussion is
                                                          quite
                                                          interesting.
                                                          But i think it
                                                          should be
                                                          discussed
                                                          between all
                                                          RiRs. Not only
                                                          for RIPE.<br>
                                                          When we look
                                                          at big
                                                          companies,
                                                          like
                                                          Microsoft, and
                                                          do a simple
                                                          scan of their
                                                          assigned IP
                                                          ranges... we
                                                          found some /14
                                                          and several
                                                          /16
                                                          unassigned/unused
                                                          ranges.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
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                                                          </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Personnally,
                                                          i think we
                                                          should focus
                                                          on 2 main
                                                          things:</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">-
                                                          Improve IPv6
                                                          implementation
                                                          all over the
                                                          territory (i
                                                          know this is
                                                          painfull for
                                                          many LIRs
                                                          because it
                                                          implies
                                                          additional
                                                          work and
                                                          purchase of
                                                          new
                                                          equipments.
                                                          But let's face
                                                          it. We are in
                                                          2018. If an
                                                          equipment
                                                          doesn't
                                                          support IPv6,
                                                          it's very
                                                          obsolete and
                                                          not
                                                          performant).</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
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                                                          </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">-
                                                          Check with the
                                                          other RiRs
                                                          what would be
                                                          the best to do
                                                          with those big
                                                          unused ranges
                                                          that are owned
                                                          by companies
                                                          that don't use
                                                          them.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Regards</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
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                                                          2018-05-14
                                                          09:51, Hans
                                                          Govenius
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                                                          Not needed IP
                                                          = The
                                                          addressese
                                                          company is
                                                          ready to sell
                                                          for a small
                                                          profit </span><span>😊</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"> ?
                                                          This is
                                                          probably good
                                                          indication
                                                          that its not
                                                          used anymore.
                                                          One option is
                                                          to
                                                          automatically
                                                          block all and
                                                          any IP
                                                          transaction
                                                          which does not
                                                          involve
                                                          transaction of
                                                          the whole
                                                          company/business.
                                                          It is a
                                                          question that
                                                          can IP be a
                                                          commodity. Now
                                                          its a
                                                          commodity that
                                                          is getting
                                                          more rare by
                                                          the year.
                                                          Maybe IP
                                                          should be
                                                          considered an
                                                          jointly owned
                                                          part of
                                                          infrastructure
                                                          which is
                                                          deployed by
                                                          need basis.
                                                          (Socialistic
                                                          way)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Other option
                                                          is to start to
                                                          take money per
                                                          IP. This would
                                                          instantly mean
                                                          that everyone
                                                          would look up
                                                          to own ip
                                                          spaces. Let
                                                          say it would
                                                          cost 1 euro /
                                                          year for a IP
                                                          it would only
                                                          be approx 1000
                                                          euros for the
                                                          smallest
                                                          allocation.
                                                          Someone with
                                                          10 million IP
                                                          addressese are
                                                          likely to
                                                          happily pay
                                                          for it fi they
                                                          are in use,
                                                          but if they
                                                          are not i
                                                          would think
                                                          they would be
                                                          handed back.
                                                          (Capitalistic
                                                          way)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          One option is
                                                          also to go
                                                          with the
                                                          current system
                                                          because
                                                          internet is
                                                          working so its
                                                          not horribly
                                                          wrong at the
                                                          moment
                                                          either. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          One
                                                          interesting
                                                          this is tho
                                                          that old LIR:s
                                                          are likely to
                                                          wanting to
                                                          keep these
                                                          things
                                                          unchanged. New
                                                          LIR:s are more
                                                          likely to want
                                                          changes as
                                                          this is
                                                          heavily
                                                          favoring old
                                                          LIR:s. And
                                                          every year a
                                                          proportionally
                                                          larger part
                                                          will be the
                                                          ones with few
                                                          IP:s and same
                                                          vote than the
                                                          one with alot
                                                          of IP:s and
                                                          also only 1
                                                          vote. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Br. Hans <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          Lähettäjä:
                                                          members-discuss
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                                                          Puolesta REG
                                                          ID: pl.skonet<br>
                                                          Lähetetty:
                                                          maanantai 14.
                                                          toukokuuta
                                                          2018 10.34<br>
Vastaanottaja: </span><a href="mailto:pdonner@znak.fi" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">pdonner@znak.fi</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"><wbr>; </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"><br>
                                                          Aihe: Re:
                                                          [members-discuss]
                                                          VL: IP
                                                          transfer
                                                          (in)security<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          W dniu
                                                          14.05.2018 o
                                                          09:25, Philip
                                                          Donner pisze: </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                          I would like
                                                          to amplify
                                                          Dave's good
                                                          proposal, by
                                                          suggesting
                                                          that unused
                                                          addresses
                                                          should be
                                                          handed back to
                                                          RIPE, so that
                                                          they can be
                                                          added to a
                                                          pool of
                                                          addresses
                                                          reserved for
                                                          LIRs who needs
                                                          them for
                                                          non-profit
                                                          promotion of
                                                          IP networks.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
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                                                          Ok, but there
                                                          is never
                                                          ending story
                                                          to resolve:
                                                          how to define
                                                          'unused
                                                          addresses'.
                                                          Because not
                                                          announced in
                                                          BGP definitely
                                                          != not used.<br>
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                                                          -- <br>
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                                                          Tomasz Śląski<br>
                                                          pl.skonet<br>
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