<div dir="ltr">You also only need the password to log in. It's a separate section. If you read the page you hit, there's a section below that with an Unsubscribe button. Clicking this button sends a verification email that you definitely want to be unsubscribed.<div><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">All the best,</span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Stuart</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Stuart Gilbertson<br>Consider IT Limited<br>Superior IT Support<br><br><a href="http://www.considerit.co.uk/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">www.considerit.co.uk</a><br>0131 510 0110<br><br>Please Note: This e-mail and any files that may be attached to it are for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and is strictly confidential.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender by replying to this message. In the event that you are not the intended recipient, you must not directly or indirectly copy, print, or otherwise disseminate this message in full or in part. </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Consider IT Ltd takes reasonable steps to ensure that our e-mails are virus-free, and in any event, accept no liability, either for any alterations made to this e-mail by third parties, or any viruses that it may contain, howsoever arising. </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Consider IT Ltd reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks.<br><br>Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity.</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 May 2018 at 14:40, Daniel Pearson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:daniel@privatesystems.net" target="_blank">daniel@privatesystems.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_682973729541845643moz-cite-prefix">Hi there,<br>
<br>
Make sure the link you are clicking actually includes your email
address. That's where the smarts come in, look at the last bit of
the URL, does it look like the one below.<br>
<br>
So for yours it will be this:
<a class="m_682973729541845643moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/Adrian.Bolster%40purebroadband.net" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/<wbr>mailman/options/members-<wbr>discuss/Adrian.Bolster%<wbr>40purebroadband.net</a><br>
<br>
Try that should work for you. <br>
<br>
Most likely you are 185.79.217.61 who's currently trying to reset
my password. Sorry that's the wrong link!<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 05/14/2018 08:35 AM, Anas Tablieh wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Daniel<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">You don’t need to be smart to find the
</span><span lang="EN-US">unsubscribe link, but I said many
times IT DOESN’T WORK.. it need password , password can’t be
reset !!!</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> Daniel Pearson
<a class="m_682973729541845643moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:daniel@privatesystems.net" target="_blank"><daniel@privatesystems.net></a>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> lundi 14 mai 2018 15:27<br>
<b>To:</b> Adrian Bolster
<a class="m_682973729541845643moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Adrian.Bolster@purebroadband.net" target="_blank"><Adrian.Bolster@purebroadband.<wbr>net></a>; Anas Tablieh
<a class="m_682973729541845643moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ATablieh@sierrawireless.com" target="_blank"><ATablieh@sierrawireless.com></a>;
<a class="m_682973729541845643moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer
(in)security<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">It seems most people don't look at the
links and click the first unsubscribe link they find, half
the time not associated with their email address.
<br>
<br>
I get them too... I blame technology for dumbing things down
so people don't think. :)<br>
<br>
On 05/14/2018 08:24 AM, Adrian Bolster wrote:<span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Go
on then… who tried to unsubscribe me?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> members-discuss
<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank"><members-discuss-bounces@ripe.<wbr>net></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Pearson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 14 May 2018 13:50<br>
<b>To:</b> Anas Tablieh <a href="mailto:ATablieh@sierrawireless.com" target="_blank"><ATablieh@sierrawireless.com></a>;
<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer
(in)security</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Well, use your email address and reset
it :)<br>
<br>
On 05/14/2018 07:48 AM, Anas Tablieh wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">unsubscribe link
need a password !! </span>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> Daniel Pearson
<a href="mailto:daniel@privatesystems.net" target="_blank"><daniel@privatesystems.net></a>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> lundi 14 mai 2018 14:48<br>
<b>To:</b> Anas Tablieh <a href="mailto:ATablieh@sierrawireless.com" target="_blank"><ATablieh@sierrawireless.com></a>;
<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
transfer (in)security</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi there,<br>
<br>
This is a mailing list, please use the unsubscribe link
at the bottom of these emails that is associated with
your email address!<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 05/14/2018 07:45 AM, Anas Tablieh wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please
remove my mail address from this chat !!!!!!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> members-discuss
<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank"><members-discuss-bounces@ripe.<wbr>net></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Pearson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> lundi 14 mai 2018 14:25<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
transfer (in)security</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I concur, there is no legal leg to
stand on to force space to be returned. It just cannot
happen, end period. Thinking about it is nothing but a
fantasy and we live in reality.<br>
<br>
What your asking is no different than having a
complete stranger walk up to your house, admire your
big empty back yard, demand that you give it to them
because they want to build a house in your
neighborhood and well, you don't use your backyard so
why can't they have it for free?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 05/14/2018 07:05 AM, Peter Linder wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p>But there is no point in arguing this. It has been
discussed over and over:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>It is not feasible to "reclaim" legacy space, just
because you want it for free or at a very low cost.
Current holders have a good legal ground to refuse.
Even if it was somehow reclaimed on a large scale, it
would last for a year or so? Remember, most addresses
would need to go to countries with large populations
where Internet is not built up like it is in Europe or
North America. Then what? Even if RIPE could
reallocate addresses to last a few more years it would
mean even *more* work to do v6, not less.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Just buy the addresses you need, if more than RIPE
will allocate to you. I know this sucks, especially in
poorer countries. But that is probably the only way
your business is going to happen, in the short term.
An alternative would be to bother the IETF to release
their reserved space but that is probably a waste of
time (never mind de-bogonizing it).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Right now IPv4 shortage is hurting a little because
of cost. It will eventually start hurting more, and in
different ways. There are ways to prepare for that,
including making sure v6 is enabled and functioning on
everything you make.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>/Peter<u></u><u></u></p>
<p> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Den 2018-05-14 kl. 13:38, skrev
David Benwell:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">No
its about preventing the waste of IP Addresses.
Why allow a LLR to retain address space that they
may never have used.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> members-discuss [</span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">mailto:members-discuss-<wbr>bounces@ripe.net</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 14 May 2018 12:32<br>
<b>To:</b> Bunea TELECOM </span><a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><suport@bunea.eu></span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP
transfer (in)security</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">But
this does not CHANGE IT IS THEFT, please have a
look at your history (or here in Croatia) - you
want to do the same, steal from some parts of
the society ('the rich') to 'benefit' the whole
which ends horribly wrong.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">This
discussion is almost as absurd as the Russian
suggestion to move RIPE to Moscow.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">--</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">William
Weber</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Consulting,
Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel
/ Rijeka, Croatia</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://ip6.im" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">https://ip6.im</span></a><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> - No RIPE LIR? Still
read this email for some reason? Grab a /40
*free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just get
it anyway, can't hurt to have.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On
Mon, May 14, 2018 at 13:16, Bunea TELECOM
<</span><a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Everybody
that says it’s theft, please consider
the fact that those ‘guys’ got their
hands on /8 blocks tens of years ago,
and probably did not pay a dime for
them.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">In
the light of events, one /8,
respecting the 1024 IPv4 policy that
RIPE has, would belong to over 16.000
LIR accounts!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">And
I must say, 16.000 companies would
create a lot of business compared to
one company that holds a /8 :)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Thanks</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Petru Bunea</b> / CEO <br>
</span><a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#477ccc;text-decoration:none">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> / </span><a href="tel:+40752481282" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">+40752481282</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#212121">Bunea
TELECOM</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> /
DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT<br>
</span><a href="http://www.bunea.eu/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#477ccc;text-decoration:none">http://www.bunea.eu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> / </span><a href="tel:+40745495495" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">+<wbr>40745495495</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On
14 May 2018, at 14:16, Alex
Lobachov <</span><a href="mailto:alxl@telenet.lv" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">alxl@telenet.lv</span></a><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Bruno
has it’s point.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Legacy
parts of the space
should be reclaimed, but
only ICANN has the power
to do so.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
don’t like to call it a
thief, I’d rather say as
all IP space is rented
(owning a number isn’t
bright), all that rented
space, wherever it is
legacy or current should
be re-audited to justify
the reason of use.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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--<br>
Alex Lobachov<br>
Telenet, sia<br>
Network Systems Engineer<br>
LinkedIn: </span><a href="https://lv.linkedin.com/in/allxll" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">https://lv.linkedin.com/in/<wbr>allxll</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
E-mail: </span><a href="mailto:alxl@telenet.lv" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">alxl@telenet.lv</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
Skype: alxl__<br>
Direct office: +371
67886224<br>
Office: +371 67711111</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
</span><a href="mailto:bruno.carvalho@xrv.pt" title="bruno.carvalho@xrv.pt" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Bruno
Carvalho</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
Monday, May 14,
2018 2:04 PM</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
</span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" title="members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Re:
[members-discuss]
VL: IP transfer
(in)security</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">William,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Legacy or not, at one
point a regulation was
introduced. And
everyone should be
regulated (pre-RIR or
not).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is the same has if
you own a car from
back the traffic laws
(1800 years?). If you
drive it now, you have
to comply with all the
laws that regulate the
sector.<br>
Why the legacy address
space owners shouldn't
have to comply with
the actual
regulations?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If we look deep on
the spaces between
0.0.0.0 and
255.255.255.255 (that
are not local or
bogons), i bet that
most than 50% are
legacy and not used.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On 2018-05-14 12:46,
William wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">These are legacy. They
are not RIR
business.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">No RIR can reclaim
them (and reclaim
is plainly wrong,
they never owned
them, this is
pre-RIR space),
they are private
property.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Taking them is theft
and nothing else,
no matter how you
phrase it.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">--</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">William Weber</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Consulting, Security
& Management
- Tel-Aviv,
Israel / Rijeka,
Croatia</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://ip6.im/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">https://ip6.im</span></a><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> - No RIPE LIR? Still
read this email
for some reason?
Grab a /40
*free* IPv6
space for BGP
usage. Or just
get it anyway,
can't hurt to
have.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On Mon, May 14, 2018
at 12:27, Bunea
TELECOM <</span><a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I agree, </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">There are tens of /8's
available,
some of them
even
unannounced.
For example
there are lots
of entities
which if they
would gave up
(even
partially) of
their unused
blocks, it
would push the
IPv4 complete
exaustion to
2020+. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Petru</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<strong><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Petru Bunea</span></strong> / CEO <br>
</span><a href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#477ccc;text-decoration:none">suport@bunea.eu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> /
</span><a href="tel:+40752481282" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">+40752481282</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#212121">Bunea
TELECOM</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> /
DATACENTER /
APP
DEVELOPMENT<br>
</span><a href="http://www.bunea.eu/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#477ccc;text-decoration:none">http://www.bunea.eu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> /
</span><a href="tel:+40745495495" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">+40745495495</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On 14 May 2018, at
11:20,
Janarthanan
Sundaram <</span><a href="mailto:j.sundaram@123telcom.nl" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">j.sundaram@123telcom.nl</span></a><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
think we
should
prioritize on
on point two:
what to do
with unused
blocks.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Van:</span></strong><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss
<</span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.<wbr>net</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Namens </span></strong>Bruno
Carvalho<br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Verzonden:</span></strong> maandag
14 mei 2018
10:11<br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Aan:</span></strong> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Onderwerp:</span></strong> Re:
[members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This
discussion is
quite
interesting.
But i think it
should be
discussed
between all
RiRs. Not only
for RIPE.<br>
When we look
at big
companies,
like
Microsoft, and
do a simple
scan of their
assigned IP
ranges... we
found some /14
and several
/16
unassigned/unused
ranges.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
<br>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Personnally,
i think we
should focus
on 2 main
things:</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
<br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">-
Improve IPv6
implementation
all over the
territory (i
know this is
painfull for
many LIRs
because it
implies
additional
work and
purchase of
new
equipments.
But let's face
it. We are in
2018. If an
equipment
doesn't
support IPv6,
it's very
obsolete and
not
performant).</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
<br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">-
Check with the
other RiRs
what would be
the best to do
with those big
unused ranges
that are owned
by companies
that don't use
them.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Regards</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On
2018-05-14
09:51, Hans
Govenius
wrote:</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">Hello<br>
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Not needed IP
= The
addressese
company is
ready to sell
for a small
profit </span><span>😊</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"> ?
This is
probably good
indication
that its not
used anymore.
One option is
to
automatically
block all and
any IP
transaction
which does not
involve
transaction of
the whole
company/business.
It is a
question that
can IP be a
commodity. Now
its a
commodity that
is getting
more rare by
the year.
Maybe IP
should be
considered an
jointly owned
part of
infrastructure
which is
deployed by
need basis.
(Socialistic
way)<br>
<br>
Other option
is to start to
take money per
IP. This would
instantly mean
that everyone
would look up
to own ip
spaces. Let
say it would
cost 1 euro /
year for a IP
it would only
be approx 1000
euros for the
smallest
allocation.
Someone with
10 million IP
addressese are
likely to
happily pay
for it fi they
are in use,
but if they
are not i
would think
they would be
handed back.
(Capitalistic
way)<br>
<br>
One option is
also to go
with the
current system
because
internet is
working so its
not horribly
wrong at the
moment
either. <br>
<br>
One
interesting
this is tho
that old LIR:s
are likely to
wanting to
keep these
things
unchanged. New
LIR:s are more
likely to want
changes as
this is
heavily
favoring old
LIR:s. And
every year a
proportionally
larger part
will be the
ones with few
IP:s and same
vote than the
one with alot
of IP:s and
also only 1
vote. <br>
<br>
Br. Hans <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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I would like
to amplify
Dave's good
proposal, by
suggesting
that unused
addresses
should be
handed back to
RIPE, so that
they can be
added to a
pool of
addresses
reserved for
LIRs who needs
them for
non-profit
promotion of
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Ok, but there
is never
ending story
to resolve:
how to define
'unused
addresses'.
Because not
announced in
BGP definitely
!= not used.<br>
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pl.skonet<br>
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