<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Implementing the native IPv6 and CGNAT means you need twice (for now) less powerful (and less expensive) CGNAT device. And you can always have point-to-point connectivity. That what I miss for our and EU mobile carriers...<br> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">02.05.18 14:47, Craig Arnold пише:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:AM4PR0301MB213097787D4163EF1FBAD81ED1800@AM4PR0301MB2130.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I support what Adrian has said here. As a small ISP we don’t have enough addresses to cover all of our customers, let alone our own infrastructure as well. Prices from brokers are in the region of EUR12 per IP, which is simply not possible to justify for a small company. The problems of not having enough addresses means relying on CGNAT to get customers connected, and all the issues that come with it. Not such a problem for mobile providers, but providers of fixed-line broadband have a much harder time with this technology.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sure IPv6 is the solution, but until we’re past the threshold where the majority of content is IPv6 enabled we still have to supply public IPv4 addresses to all customers in some form.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’d like to see governments selling its stock of unused addresses to local business that can prove a need at an affordable price. Everyone wants to sell their IPs to fund their own IPv6 rollouts. Great, so the little guys have to spend their cash on extortionate IPv4 prices just to keep up, stalling or preventing their own IPv6 rollouts, while the bigger players get their rollouts partially funded. If businesses can show they’re planning to or currently rolling out IPv6, they should have fairer access to IPv4 resources while they continue those plans. I think the RIRs need to step in and help here.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"><members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Bolster<br> <b>Sent:</b> 02 May 2018 09:46<br> <b>To:</b> William <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:william@william.si"><william@william.si></a>; Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thomas@niceblue.it"><thomas@niceblue.it></a><br> <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The current rules are a good middle ground, however, as a relatively new ISP we can only access one /22 per LIR. Newer entities, such as us, do not have legacy IPv4 space which immediately inhibits growth and competition in the ISP marketplace.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A fairer policy would be to allocate for a LIR’s justifiable needs, taking into account their current allocations; but for RIPE to retain an override on these allocations. By monitoring for any unused space it would be possible to remove any unused to be recycled. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also, governments and larger organisations are sat on huge IPv4 real estate that is not in use. This is another area that needs exploring.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">After all, IPv6 isn’t ubiquitous yet, so something constructive has to be done.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William<br> <b>Sent:</b> 01 May 2018 18:15<br> <b>To:</b> Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl <<a href="mailto:thomas@niceblue.it" moz-do-not-send="true">thomas@niceblue.it</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">As someone that would profit from this i am absolutely against it.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">RIPE exists for specific reasons - selling out IPs is not one of them, and the legacy market as well as inter-RIR transfers cover the business needs at this time.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">The current merger rules are a good middle way.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">--<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">William Weber<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Consulting, Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><a href="https://ip6.im/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ip6.im</a> - No RIPE LIR? Still read this email for some reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just get it anyway, can't hurt to have.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 13:17, Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl <<a href="mailto:thomas@niceblue.it" moz-do-not-send="true">thomas@niceblue.it</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">YES! Probably this would be possible...<br> ...just setting the RIPE sign-up fee of 4600 EUR that includes the first two years of membership in a non refoundable way ( :<br> <br> <br> Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Il 01/05/2018 10:45, Dmitry Vorozhtsov ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">I think it would be great! <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Best regards, Dmitry Vorozhtsov.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">2018-04-30 22:07 GMT+09:00 Aleksey Bulgakov <<a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Hello, all. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">What do you think if the NCC allow to merge accounts of the same company without 24 months restriction? <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">I thing this question should be discussed on the RIPE meeting in </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Marseille.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" 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