<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><o:p> </o:p>Imho,<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>the debate should not only be about money, but about political stability, too.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>We all see some non-democratic changes in several countries (!).<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Since RIPE has to be independent, I would suggest such countries, if any. That would be Switzerland and Austria only, as far as I can see.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Since Switzerland is definitely more expensive than Netherlands, Austria may seem the only choice.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p>But, the move and loosing / changing staff would be far more expensive and disruptive than remaining in Amsterdam. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p>So, at the end of the day, I _definitely_ want RIPE NCC remain in NL.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>John Fitzgerald<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>----------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p>John Fitzgerald Interactive Network GmbH<o:p></o:p>MD/Geschaeftsfuehrer Lindleystraße 14<o:p></o:p>http://www.internet.de D-60314 Frankfurt am Main<o:p></o:p>----------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Emre Ögütcen Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:02 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019<o:p></o:p></div></div><o:p> </o:p>Hello All,<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>If you want to carry your surrogate and your operations.<o:p></o:p>we can give support and encouragement as a state.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='margin-left:-1.35pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:59.25pt'><td width=14 rowspan=2 valign=top style='width:10.5pt;padding:0cm 3.5pt 0cm 3.5pt;height:59.25pt'><img width=181 height=163 id="_x0000_i1053" src="cid:image001.png@01D3D32E.5D0918F0"><o:p></o:p></td><td width=26 valign=top style='width:19.5pt;padding:0cm 3.5pt 0cm 3.5pt;height:59.25pt'><img width=173 height=123 id="_x0000_i1054" src="cid:image002.png@01D3D32E.5D0918F0"><o:p></o:p></td></tr><tr style='height:24.0pt'><td width=26 valign=top style='width:19.5pt;padding:0cm 3.5pt 0cm 3.5pt;height:24.0pt'><img width=24 height=24 id="_x0000_i1055" src="cid:image003.png@01D3D32E.5D0918F0"><img width=24 height=24 id="_x0000_i1056" src="cid:image004.png@01D3D32E.5D0918F0"><img width=24 height=24 id="_x0000_i1057" src="cid:image005.png@01D3D32E.5D0918F0"><img width=24 height=24 id="_x0000_i1058" src="cid:image006.png@01D3D32E.5D0918F0"><img width=24 height=24 id="_x0000_i1059" src="cid:image007.png@01D3D32E.5D0918F0"><o:p></o:p></td></tr></table><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>From: members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> On Behalf Of Engür Rıza Pişirici Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 12:24 PM To: Aleksey Bulgakov <<a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019<o:p></o:p></div></div><o:p> </o:p>Hello All,<o:p></o:p><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>Istanbul might be good idea if RIPE NCC really want to move some parts of their office to Eastern Europe.<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>-engur<o:p></o:p></div><div>tr.bilkent<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p><div>On 12 Apr 2018, at 22:35, Aleksey Bulgakov <<a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div>So what do you think about moving a part of the office of the RIPE to Eastern Europe (registration services, customer services, technicians), and leaving the management in the Netherlands? This will reduce spending for electricity, wages, taxes, and, consequently, membership fees.<o:p></o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div><div>чт, 12 Апр 2018 г., 21:41 Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>>:<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>Hi, On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 01:09:47PM +0300, Juri wrote: > Gerg, please don't move away point of main question. > All those things should be discussed separately. As people join the NCC *only* because it's cheaper to get an IPv4 /22 that way, and not for any other reason (like, IPv6, or voting rights, or "because they want to be part of the Internet community") - as long as this is (quite visibly) happening, you cannot separate resource consumption from fee structure. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. 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