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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/13/2018 12:51 PM, William wrote:<br>
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font-size: 16px; direction: ltr">Yes, this sums it up pretty
much, including the micro management.
<div>RIPE is overall in an excellent financial position (it
rarely was better) and i see a lot of this ideas ignore the
sole costs of moving staff needed, hardware (eg. import tax)
and accounting to another jurisdiction which eats away the
profit from it for years.</div>
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<p>RIPE is in excellent financial position because its overcharging
for something that shouldn't cost that much.</p>
<p>Moving staff - why ? You buy new equipment.</p>
<p>Hardware has no import tax within EU</p>
<p>Accounting is much cheaper in a lot jurisdictions versus
Netherlands</p>
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<div style="font-family: Tahoma;">If RIPE accepts payment in
RUR (or GBP, or USD) it has to be exchanged to Euro
immediately, so you pay the interbank rate anyway. In
practice, the same you pay now.</div>
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<p>No , you can keep any currency at almost all banks. Noone is
going to force to you to convert it to EUR unless you are going to
spend it immediately.<br>
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<div style="font-family: Tahoma;">This exchange is either
open market based on horrible rates (for eg. RUR) or
government only and thus a fixed rate nobody can adjust to
reality (eg. a lot of Arab country currencies). </div>
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<div>RIPE will not, and is not supposed to, hold foreign
bank accounts and store money until better FX rates
(that might never happen) or invest local for profit.</div>
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<div style="font-family: Tahoma;">Your complain is also not
really RIPE related at all - Russia's currency is still
based on *dollar* and *oil*, any loss is attributable to
your economy and government, we should not subsidise your
problems in any way<b> </b>(and neither should we finance
anyone else this way).</div>
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<p>No , its about being fair. It's not. You cant ask 2000 euro from
a company created in a country where the median sallary is 400E (
and im not talking about Russia ) and at the same time ask the
SAME from a company created in a country where the median sallary
is 2000 euro. That is 5x more expensive financially.<br>
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<div style="font-family: Tahoma;">In RIPE countries the most
used currency overall is simply Euro, so alone this
justifies the sole usage IMO.</div>
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<p>Based on what ? 9 out of 28 states don't use EUR. You can't
ignore also ignore the fact of population density per country per
acceptance of the eurozone.</p>
<p>Your comments simply make no sense in any way</p>
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<div data-anchor="reply-title">On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at
10:50, Daniel Suchy <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:danny@danysek.cz"><danny@danysek.cz></a> wrote:</div>
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<div>This depends on currency exchange rate, which is
variable and RIPE has<br>
no control over it. Other services (IXP, for example)
also doesn't<br>
accept payment fixed in local currency from member
origin country.<br>
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Even in case of accepting payments in local currency,
the<br>
membership/anual fees *must* be equal for each member
regardless of<br>
member's regional currency (= respecting currency
exchange rates).<br>
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And it's much easier (and with less administrative
overhead on RIPE<br>
side) to have membership fees in *single* currency, as
exchange rate is<br>
- by design - variable.<br>
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It was already mentioned - some members are trying to
"micromanage" RIPE<br>
NCC. That's wrong idea in general.<br>
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With regards,<br>
Daniel<br>
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On 04/13/2018 09:45 AM, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:<br>
<blockquote>I completely agree. The Membership in
Russia was 150k rubles in 2014<br>
and 255k rubles is now. The annual fees were 60k rub
in 2014 and 100k<br>
rub now.<br>
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пт, 13 Апр 2018 г., 10:21 Alexandr Gurbo <<a
target="_blank" href="mailto:a.gurbo@severen.ru"
moz-do-not-send="true">a.gurbo@severen.ru</a><br>
<mailto:<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:a.gurbo@severen.ru"
moz-do-not-send="true">a.gurbo@severen.ru</a>>>:<br>
It is better to pay in our region in Russian rubles,
in Europe in<br>
Euro, in England in pounds. All RIPE community should
think about<br>
change not only about membership service fees, but and
about<br>
currency per region.</blockquote>
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