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<body><div style="font-family:Arial;">I even dare to say the amount may be even lower, because of dutch tax system. All in all, it's NOT much. </div>
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<div>On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, at 14:57, David Ponzone wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family:Arial;">Sorry, my mistake, 3125€ per month per staff (4000/1,28).<br></div>
<div>The net income remains around 2500€.<br></div>
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<div><div>Le 12 avr. 2018 à 14:55, David Ponzone a écrit :<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;-webkit-line-break:after-white-space;"><div style="font-family:Arial;">AFAIK, social charges paid by the employer in NL are around 28%, so it's less than 3000 euros per month per staff member of income.<br></div>
<div>And that's before social charges paid by the employee (18%), so it's less than 2500€ of net income per staff.<br></div>
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<div>I would not judge if that's high or low in NL, but that's not 4000.<br></div>
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<div><div>Le 12 avr. 2018 à 12:01, Hans Govenius a écrit :<br></div>
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<div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium"><b>Lähettäjä:</b><span> </span>members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration-line:underline;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>><span> </span><b>Puolesta<span> </span></b>Aleksey Bulgakov<br><b>Lähetetty:</b><span> </span>keskiviikko 11. huhtikuuta 2018 18.52<br><b>Kopio:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration-line:underline;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>;<span> </span><a href="mailto:agm@ripe.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration-line:underline;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">agm@ripe.net</a><br><b>Aihe:</b><span> </span>Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019</span></span></div>
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