<HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml"><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=FI dir=ltr link=blue vLink=purple> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000"> <DIV>I really doubt that uncovering salary numbers are appropriate in this case. RIPE NCC was always helpful and trusty from my POV. And who could disagree that Axel is the biggest asset they are paying for? <IMG class="wlEmoticon wlEmoticon-smile" style="BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none" alt=Smile src="cid:881CE7323CB842C7B65DC1261DF0A4B4@asmodeus"></DIV> <DIV><BR>--<BR>Alex Lobachov<BR>Telenet, sia<BR>Network Systems Engineer<BR>LinkedIn: https://lv.linkedin.com/in/allxll<BR>E-mail: alxl@telenet.lv<BR>Skype: alxl__<BR>Direct office: +371 67886224<BR>Office: +371 67711111<BR><BR></DIV> <DIV style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt tahoma"> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=Hans.Govenius@devnet.fi href="mailto:Hans.Govenius@devnet.fi">Hans Govenius</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 12, 2018 1:01 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=aleksbulgakov@gmail.com href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com">Aleksey Bulgakov</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=members-discuss@ripe.net href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</A> ; <A title=agm@ripe.net href="mailto:agm@ripe.net">agm@ripe.net</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'> <DIV class=WordSection1> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: en-us">Hello<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: en-us"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: en-us">There is 153 staff memebers at RIPE and having OPEX of 7,5 meur in Internals means over 4000 euros per month per one staff member. That is indeed quite high for a non-profit organization and therefore it would not be bad for transparency to open up atleast the biggest individual items. With current information it is not possible for paying members to sufficiently control and oversee the expenses generated by operations. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: en-us"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: en-us">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: en-us"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: en-us">Hans Govenius<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: en-us"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: en-us"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P> <P class=MsoNormal><B>Lähettäjä:</B> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> <B>Puolesta </B>Aleksey Bulgakov<BR><B>Lähetetty:</B> keskiviikko 11. huhtikuuta 2018 18.52<BR><B>Kopio:</B> members-discuss@ripe.net; agm@ripe.net<BR><B>Aihe:</B> Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019<o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>Dear, Axel.<o:p></o:p></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>Thank you for your report.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>But I cannot understand some things. The number of members increases every year, but the annual payment isn't changed. The NCC is noncommercial organisation, but the payment for new members is 2000 euro for registration. Is it so hard to print papers and send them by DHL and is it necessary to make the membership so expensive?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>ср, 11 Апр 2018 г., 18:11 Sergey Myasoedov <<A href="mailto:kaa@net-art.cz">kaa@net-art.cz</A>>:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 6pt; MARGIN: 5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm"> <P class=MsoNormal>Dear Axel,<BR><BR>Thank you for publishing the reports.<BR><BR>It's very nice to put 7.5 MEur of opex as 'Internal' as mentioned on<BR>the page 7 of the Annual Report, but this amount is 1/3 of total opex.<BR>Can this amount be explained?<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>Kind regards,<BR>Sergey Myasoedov<BR><BR><BR><BR>You wrote Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 4:08:43 PM:<BR><BR>> Dear RIPE NCC members,<BR><BR>> The following important documents are now online:<BR><BR>> - RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017<BR>> - RIPE NCC Financial Report 2017<BR>> - RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019<BR><BR>> All three are supporting documents for the RIPE NCC General Meeting<BR>> (GM), which takes place from 16-18 May 2018. Members will vote to<BR>> approve the Financial Report and the Charging Scheme at the GM.<BR><BR>> The full list of supporting documents is available at:<BR>> <A href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/supporting-documents/supporting-documents" target=_blank>https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/supporting-documents/supporting-documents</A><BR><BR>> If you have any feedback, please email <<A href="mailto:agm@ripe.net" target=_blank>agm@ripe.net</A>>.<BR><BR>> We ask all RIPE NCC members to register for the GM so they can vote on<BR>> these documents, as well as in the Executive Board elections that will<BR>> take place at the GM. Full remote participation is possible for those<BR>> who cannot attend the meeting in Marseille.<BR><BR>> We previously announced that publication of these documents would take<BR>> place on 4 April. We apologise for the delay.<BR><BR>> All information on the GM, including the draft agenda and how to<BR>> register to participate remotely, is included on the GM homepage:<BR>> <A href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/" target=_blank>https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/</A><BR><BR>> Best regards,<BR><BR>> Axel Pawlik<BR>> Managing Director<BR>> RIPE NCC<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--<BR>Kind regards,<BR>Sergey Myasoedov<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>members-discuss mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target=_blank>members-discuss@ripe.net</A><BR><A href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" target=_blank>https://mailman.ripe.net/</A><BR>Unsubscribe: <A href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmail.com" target=_blank>https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmail.com</A><o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV> <P> <HR> _______________________________________________<BR>members-discuss mailing list<BR>members-discuss@ripe.net<BR>https://mailman.ripe.net/<BR>Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/alxl%40telenet.lv<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>