<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I can agree with this. To go a step further I'd love to see a world where people sending abuse complaints also honor the abuse contact and don't simply spam every individual / email listed as well. On 09/07/2017 03:13 AM, Tim Armstrong wrote: </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAJi5Lfiu7QR1hAnzgmY9jBFrdgoU8eybunQT5cnJccfz4vqGqQ@mail.gmail.com"> <div dir="auto"> <div>Which is, to a certain extent, a requirement.</div> <div dir="auto">But that's not the real issue, I don't mind people knowing my name, I just want a world where NOC and Abuse contacts aren't be spammed with sales pitches constantly.</div> <div dir="auto"> </div> <div dir="auto"> <div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"> <div class="gmail_quote">On 7 Sep 2017 10:05 am, "Christoffer Hansen" <<a href="mailto:cdh@nianet.dk" moz-do-not-send="true">cdh@nianet.dk</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class="quoted-text">> If individual employees contact details are being readily exposed > </div> Only if you have entered them in the RIPE DB on objects. (fx. person, abuse, update etc.) <div class="quoted-text"> On 9/5/2017 13:40, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: > How does the RIPE DB and its current protections (or lack of them) work > within the framework of GDPR? > > > > If individual employees contact details are being readily exposed then > that could be a serious problem for both us as a LIR and for RIPE. > > > > Regards > > > > Michele > > > > > > -- > > Mr Michele Neylon > > Blacknight Solutions > > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > > <a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.blacknight.com/</a> > > <a href="http://blacknight.blog/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://blacknight.blog/</a> > > Intl. <a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%C2%A0%209183072" value="+353599183072" moz-do-not-send="true">+353 (0) 59 9183072</a> > > Direct Dial: <a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090" value="+353599183090" moz-do-not-send="true">+353 (0)59 9183090</a> > > Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://michele.blog/</a> > > Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ceo.hosting/</a> > > ------------------------------- > > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty > > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > > </div> > *From: *members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> on behalf of > Tim Armstrong <<a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com" moz-do-not-send="true">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a>> <div class="quoted-text">> *Date: *Tuesday 5 September 2017 at 09:52 > *To: *Catalin Dominte <<a href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk" moz-do-not-send="true">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a>> > *Cc: *"<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>> </div> > *Subject: *Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse <div class="quoted-text">> > > > I agree entirely. > > > > Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte </div> > <<a href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk" moz-do-not-send="true">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk" moz-do-not-send="true">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a>>> <div class="quoted-text">> wrote: > > If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would > be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned > from PeeringDB if one has an account there. > > > > My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am > interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management > from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never > stop. > > > </div> > *Catalin Dominte* <div class="quoted-text">> > Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group > </div> <div class="quoted-text">> /Office: <a href="tel:%2B44%20%280%291628%20200%20219" value="+441628200219" moz-do-not-send="true">+44 (0)1628 200 219</a> <tel:+44%201628%20200219>/ > > > </div> <div class="quoted-text">> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be > privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet > communications are not secure and therefore this company does not > accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you > are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, > distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd > is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 > > > > On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (<a href="mailto:telco@intrinsec.com" moz-do-not-send="true">telco@intrinsec.com</a> </div> <div class="quoted-text">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:telco@intrinsec.com" moz-do-not-send="true">telco@intrinsec.com</a>>) wrote: > > There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong > to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations > > > Comment added by : Tim Armstrong > > Comment Content: > > And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all > the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight > auto-replies! > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong > <<a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com" moz-do-not-send="true">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a> </div> <div class="elided-text">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com" moz-do-not-send="true">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a>>> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, > RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. > > Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via > an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in > our RIPE DB entries. > > > > We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, > people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, > etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for > services none of us want to waste time reading about. If > we want such products, we all know how find them, and > yet the e-mails don't stop coming. > > > > I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the > community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I > have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse > leads to boycott. > > The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and > reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of > "potential leads". > > > > I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there > really nothing structural we can do about this? > > At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the > public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via > a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated > to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a > sales opportunity. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > > -- > </div> > *Tim Armstrong** > *Dark Lord of Network Operations <div class="quoted-text">> <a href="tel:%2B31%206%20175%20444%2072" value="+31617544472" moz-do-not-send="true">+31 6 175 444 72</a> > > > > > > -- > </div> > *Tim Armstrong > *Dark Lord of Network Operations <div class="quoted-text">> <a href="tel:%2B31%206%20175%20444%2072" value="+31617544472" moz-do-not-send="true">+31 6 175 444 72</a> > > > > > 6372:154148 > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC > members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to > the general page: > <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing > Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > general page: > <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". > From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > > > -- > </div> > *Tim Armstrong > *Dark Lord of Network Operations > <a href="tel:%2B31%206%20175%20444%2072" value="+31617544472" moz-do-not-send="true">+31 6 175 444 72</a> <tel:<a href="tel:%2B31617544472" value="+31617544472" moz-do-not-send="true">+31617544472</a>> <div class="elided-text">> > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > </div> ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <pre wrap="">---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.</pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>