<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns:mv="http://macVmlSchemaUri" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Title" content=""> <meta name="Keywords" content=""> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body bgcolor="white" lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Just my opinion, why can’t the LIR be closed 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style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Alex Lobachov <alxl@telenet.lv><br> <b>Organization: </b>Telenet<br> <b>Date: </b>Thursday, 7 September 2017 at 10:23<br> <b>To: </b>"members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Good day,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">I’m all for administrative actions to LIR members (usually guys who are involved in ipv4 transfers) who are found guilty of using the DB with commercial goals.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Closing the LIR might be the appropriate (yet quite aggressive one) action for them.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><br> --<br> Alex Lobachov<br> Telenet, sia<br> Network Systems Engineer<br> LinkedIn: https://lv.linkedin.com/in/allxll<br> E-mail: alxl@telenet.lv<br> Skype: alxl__<br> Direct office: +371 67886224<br> Office: +371 67711111<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> <a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com" title="t.armstrong@nerdalize.com">Tim Armstrong</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:17 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> <a href="mailto:vegard@monsternett.no" title="vegard@monsternett.no">Vegard Svanberg</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" title="members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact attached to an LIR then you can see everything. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for access.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <<a href="mailto:vegard@monsternett.no">vegard@monsternett.no</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">* Tim Armstrong <<a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a>> [2017-09-05 10:36]:<br> <br> > I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing<br> > structural we can do about this? <br> > At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB,<br> > instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC<br> > website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse /<br> > complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.<br> <br> I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I<br> have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this<br> through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the<br> idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback<br> loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational<br> consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and<br> maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations.<br> <br> And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with<br> phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well.<br> <br> Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response<br> anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be<br> a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database<br> dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate<br> against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the<br> problem is big enough to warrant any major changes.<br> <br> --<br> -o) Vegard Svanberg, MD - Monsternett (<a href="http://www.monsternett.no" target="_blank">www.monsternett.no</a>)<br> /\\ Violgata 3A, N-1776 HALDEN, NORWAY<br> _\_v Phone: <a href="tel:%28%2B47%29%2069701802">(+47) 69701802</a> | Fax: <a href="tel:%28%2B47%29%2069701801"> (+47) 69701801</a><br> <br> <br> ----<br> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br> <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br> <br> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </blockquote> </div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"> <hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"> </span></div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">----<br> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/<br> <br> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>