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<DIV>I’m all for administrative actions to LIR members (usually guys who are
involved in ipv4 transfers) who are found guilty of using the DB with commercial
goals.</DIV>
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<DIV>Closing the LIR might be the appropriate (yet quite aggressive one) action
for them.</DIV>
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<DIV>Comments?</DIV>
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Lobachov<BR>Telenet, sia<BR>Network Systems Engineer<BR>LinkedIn:
https://lv.linkedin.com/in/allxll<BR>E-mail: alxl@telenet.lv<BR>Skype:
alxl__<BR>Direct office: +371 67886224<BR>Office: +371 67711111<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=t.armstrong@nerdalize.com
href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com">Tim Armstrong</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:17 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vegard@monsternett.no
href="mailto:vegard@monsternett.no">Vegard Svanberg</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=members-discuss@ripe.net
href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact
attached to an LIR then you can see everything.
<DIV>Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it.</DIV>
<DIV>Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for
access.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <<A
href="mailto:vegard@monsternett.no">vegard@monsternett.no</A>> wrote:<BR
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Tim Armstrong <<A
href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</A>>
[2017-09-05 10:36]:<BR><BR>> I hate to bring this subject up again, but is
there really nothing<BR>> structural we can do about this? <BR>> At a
minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB,<BR>> instead
having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC<BR>> website,
requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse /<BR>> complaint
contact, not a sales opportunity.<BR><BR>I understand the problem (and get
those pitches myself nearly daily). I<BR>have no alternative, simple
solutions. I also haven't thought this<BR>through in detail. :-) However, and
despite all that: I'd oppose the<BR>idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and
centralising/limiting feedback<BR>loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned
about the operational<BR>consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect
emails and build and<BR>maintain lists of contact points (potentially)
important for operations.<BR><BR>And if we remove just emails, we'd probably
have to do the same with<BR>phone numbers. They're calling from time to time
as well.<BR><BR>Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk
response<BR>anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders
might be<BR>a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular
database<BR>dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or
authenticate<BR>against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not
sure the<BR>problem is big enough to warrant any major
changes.<BR><BR>--<BR>-o) Vegard Svanberg, MD - Monsternett (<A
href="http://www.monsternett.no" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>www.monsternett.no</A>)<BR>/\\ Violgata 3A, N-1776 HALDEN,
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value="+4769701802">(+47) 69701802</A> | Fax: <A
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