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Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div id="m_-4659045675559036009bloop_customfont"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div id="m_-4659045675559036009bloop_customfont"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div id="m_-4659045675559036009bloop_sign_1504600906517597952"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Catalin Dominte</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br style="font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal"> <br> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Office: <a href="tel:+44%201628%20200219" target="_blank">+44 (0)1628 200 219</a></span></i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:9.75pt"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#777777">The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. 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Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="m-4659045675559036009airmailon">On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (<a href="mailto:telco@intrinsec.com" target="_blank">telco@intrinsec.com</a>) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><br> Comment added by : Tim Armstrong<br> <br> Comment Content:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies!<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <<a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com" target="_blank">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">Tim.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m-4659045675559036009hoenzb"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:#888888">--</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:#888888"><img border="0" width="96" height="31" id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><span class="m-4659045675559036009hoenzb"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888">Tim Armstrong</span></b></span><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888"><br></span></b><span class="m-4659045675559036009hoenzb"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888">Dark Lord of Network Operations</span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888"><br></span><span class="m-4659045675559036009hoenzb"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#999999;background:white">+31 6 175 444 72</span></span><o:p></o:p></pre> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">--<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><img border="0" width="96" height="31" id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888">Tim Armstrong<br></span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888">Dark Lord of Network Operations<br></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#999999;background:white">+31 6 175 444 72</span><o:p></o:p></pre> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </blockquote> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><br> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"fdtktid",serif;color:white">6372:154148</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal">---- <br> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss <br> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: <br> <a 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From here, you can add or remove addresses.<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> <br clear="all"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><img border="0" width="96" height="31" id="_x0000_i1027" src="https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download"><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888">Tim Armstrong<br></span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888888">Dark Lord of Network Operations<br></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#999999;background:white"><a href="tel:+31617544472" target="_blank">+31 6 175 444 72</a></span><o:p></o:p></pre> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>