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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05.09.2017 10:58, Gadi Rapaport
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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too please!!!!!!</span></p>
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members-discuss [mailto:<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>GABAY David<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 5, 2017 11:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> R. van Laake <<a
href="mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu"
moz-do-not-send="true">r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu</a>>;
Tim Armstrong <<a
href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a>>;
Catalin Dominte <<a
href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] New comment -
[#6372] Database Abuse</span></p>
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lang="FR">Same here.</span></p>
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lang="FR">Thanks.</span></p>
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<b>De la part de</b> R. van Laake<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 5 septembre 2017 10:54<br>
<b>À :</b> Tim Armstrong; Catalin Dominte<br>
<b>Cc :</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [members-discuss] New comment -
[#6372] Database Abuse</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">CAN
SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I
DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS
DISTRACTION</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Armstrong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52<br>
<b>To:</b> Catalin Dominte<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372]
Database Abuse</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">I agree entirely.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">Yes the list of sales
contact ones are quite funny.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at
10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <<a
href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"
lang="NL">If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for
abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email
addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from
PeeringDB if one has an account there. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="NL">My recent favourite email I get on the
ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of
brand new contacts for C level management from
various industries. Reported them all as spam, but
they never stop. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="NL">Catalin Dominte</span></b><span
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<p class="m-4659045675559036009airmailon"><span
lang="NL">On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56,
Telecoms (<a href="mailto:telco@intrinsec.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">telco@intrinsec.com</a>)
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lang="NL">And while we are at it,
perhaps we could do something about all
the freaking Bots on this mailing list?
I just got eight auto-replies!</span></p>
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10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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issue crops up it's ugly head
again, RIPE DB abuse is a real
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="NL">Yet again we are
receiving unsolicited sales
pitches via an e-mail address we
only use for the contact details
in our RIPE DB entries.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="NL">We've all seen it;
people offering to buy IPv4
blocks, people offering to sell
IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering,
etc. It's a plague of poorly
constructed pitches for services
none of us want to waste time
reading about. If we want such
products, we all know how find
them, and yet the e-mails don't
stop coming.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="NL">I am not one for
publicly shaming other members
of the community, but if it
doesn't stop, I don't see how I
have a choice. They need to
learn that database abuse leads
to boycott.</span></p>
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lang="NL">The database is an
operations tool for de-bugging
and reporting issues &
abuse; not a sales team's list
of "potential leads".</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="NL">I hate to bring this
subject up again, but is there
really nothing structural we can
do about this? </span></p>
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lang="NL">At a minimum we could
occlude e-mail addresses from
the public DB, instead having
public complaint submitted via a
webform on the NCC website,
requiring the uninitiated to
realise this is an abuse /
complaint contact, not a sales
opportunity.</span></p>
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