<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"><html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /> <title></title> </head> <body> --REPLY above this line to respond-- This ticket has been updated by itsupport@lmktec.co.uk (email) --REPLY above this line to respond-- This ticket has been updated by christian@ilm-provider.de (email) Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, ich befinde mich bis zum 11.09.2017 im Urlaub. Für alle Absender, die von der Neugier gepackt sind: Raten Sie mit: Ich bin im Urlaub weil… a) …ich endlich mal wieder ein paar T-Bone Steaks grillen und dazu ein Bier genießen wollte. b) …ich mich seelisch auf das nächste Sport-Großereignis vorbereiten möchte. c) …ich den Jungs mal wieder einen Bier-Abend schulde. d) …ich es mir verdient habe! Dem Gewinner winkt eine Antwort von mir auf diese E-Mail, aber ab dem 11.09.2017 bin ich sonst auch wieder für Sie erreichbar. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte direkt an Morris Schwarz: morris.schwarz@ilm-provider.de oder allgemein: info@ilm-provider.de Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Knöfel Full ticket details Ticket #227393 Ticket: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Status: Re-Opened Company: Landmark PLC Contact: Carel Venter Phone: 020 7870 9354 x3354 Address: 4 Lombard Street London EC3V 9HD Discussion: Tue 05/09/2017/10:17 AM UTC+01/ christian@ilm-provider.de (email) Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, ich befinde mich bis zum 11.09.2017 im Urlaub. Für alle Absender, die von der Neugier gepackt sind: Raten Sie mit: Ich bin im Urlaub weil… a) …ich endlich mal wieder ein paar T-Bone Steaks grillen und dazu ein Bier genießen wollte. b) …ich mich seelisch auf das nächste Sport-Großereignis vorbereiten möchte. c) …ich den Jungs mal wieder einen Bier-Abend schulde. d) …ich es mir verdient habe! Dem Gewinner winkt eine Antwort von mir auf diese E-Mail, aber ab dem 11.09.2017 bin ich sonst auch wieder für Sie erreichbar. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte direkt an Morris Schwarz: morris.schwarz@ilm-provider.de oder allgemein: info@ilm-provider.de Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Knöfel Tue 05/09/2017/10:07 AM UTC+01/ telco telco@intrinsec.com (email) Dear Landmark Technologies, We would like to acknowledge that we have received your request and a ticket has been created. A support representative will be reviewing your request and will send you a personal response.(usually within 24 hours). To view the status of the ticket or add comments, please visit https://support.cloud-temple.com/helpdesk/tickets/6434 Thank you for your patience. Sincerely, Cloud Temple Team 6434:154148 Tue 05/09/2017/10:07 AM UTC+01/ itsupport@lmktec.co.uk (email) --REPLY above this line to respond-- This ticket has been updated by Mason Wilson Stop Spamming! Please remove me from this list! __________________ Diese Nachricht wurde auf einem mobilen Ger?t erstellt Am 05.09.2017 um 10:54 schrieb R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>: CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON'T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72<tel:+31617544472> ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. Mathias Peter [https://www.mathpeter.com/sites/default/files/styles/asset_image_full/public/assets/images/peter-logo-digital-gross-rgb.jpg?itok=OpIvJDVS] Freiburger Stra?e 19 79258 Hartheim Tel.: Fax.: eMail: MPeter@mathpeter.com Website: www.mathpeter.com ________________________________ Ab sofort f?r alle Kunden: Rechnungszahlung per SEPA Lastschrift. Nie wieder vergessene Rechnungen. Fordern Sie Ihr SEPA Mandat noch heute an. [https://www.mathpeter.com/sites/default/files/styles/asset_image_full/public/assets/images/lastschrift.png] Sie haben Fragen zum Thema SEPA Lastschriften? Sprechen Sie uns an, wir helfen Ihnen gerne! ________________________________ Die in dieser eMail und den dazugeh?rigen Anh?ngen (zusammen die Nachricht) enthaltenen Informationen sind nur f?r den Adressaten bestimmt und k?nnen vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie die Nachricht irrt?mlich erhalten haben, l?schen Sie die Nachricht bitte und benachrichtigen Sie den Absender, ohne die Nachricht zu kopieren oder zu verteilen oder ihren Inhalt an andere Personen weiterzugeben. Ausser bei Vorsatz oder grober Fahrl?ssigkeit schliessen wir jegliche Haftung f?r Verluste oder Sch?den aus, die durch virenbefallene Software oder eMails verursacht werden. Tue 05/09/2017/10:05 AM UTC+01/ Mason Wilson (time)- Stop Spamming! Please remove me from this list! __________________ Diese Nachricht wurde auf einem mobilen Ger?t erstellt Am 05.09.2017 um 10:54 schrieb R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>: CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON'T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72<tel:+31617544472> ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. Mathias Peter [https://www.mathpeter.com/sites/default/files/styles/asset_image_full/public/assets/images/peter-logo-digital-gross-rgb.jpg?itok=OpIvJDVS] Freiburger Stra?e 19 79258 Hartheim Tel.: Fax.: eMail: MPeter@mathpeter.com Website: www.mathpeter.com ________________________________ Ab sofort f?r alle Kunden: Rechnungszahlung per SEPA Lastschrift. Nie wieder vergessene Rechnungen. Fordern Sie Ihr SEPA Mandat noch heute an. [https://www.mathpeter.com/sites/default/files/styles/asset_image_full/public/assets/images/lastschrift.png] Sie haben Fragen zum Thema SEPA Lastschriften? Sprechen Sie uns an, wir helfen Ihnen gerne! ________________________________ Die in dieser eMail und den dazugeh?rigen Anh?ngen (zusammen die Nachricht) enthaltenen Informationen sind nur f?r den Adressaten bestimmt und k?nnen vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie die Nachricht irrt?mlich erhalten haben, l?schen Sie die Nachricht bitte und benachrichtigen Sie den Absender, ohne die Nachricht zu kopieren oder zu verteilen oder ihren Inhalt an andere Personen weiterzugeben. Ausser bei Vorsatz oder grober Fahrl?ssigkeit schliessen wir jegliche Haftung f?r Verluste oder Sch?den aus, die durch virenbefallene Software oder eMails verursacht werden. Tue 05/09/2017/10:05 AM UTC+01/ Mason Wilson (time)- Stop Spamming! Please remove me from this list!!! Full ticket details <div style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; margin-left:5px; margin-right:5px; padding:3px; border: 1px; border-style: solid; border-color: Gray;"> <table style="width: 100%; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; margin:0px;" cellspacing="3" cellpadding="0"> <colgroup><col width="70px" /><col width="100%" /></colgroup> <tr> <td style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 100%; background-color:#DDD9C3" colspan="2">Ticket #227393</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="color: #afa494; white-space: nowrap; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 70px">Ticket:</td> <td style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 100%;">Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="color: #afa494; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 70px;">Status:</td> <td style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 100%;">Re-Opened</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="height: 10px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 70px;"> </td> <td style="height: 10px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 100%;"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="color: #afa494; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 70px;">Company:</td> <td style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 100%;">Landmark PLC</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="color: #afa494; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 70px;">Contact:</td> <td style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 100%;">Carel Venter</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="color: #afa494; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 70px;">Phone:</td> <td style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 100%;">020 7870 9354 x3354</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="color: #afa494; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 70px; vertical-align: top;" rowspan="3">Address:</td> <td style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; width: 100%; vertical-align: top;" rowspan="3">4 Lombard Street London EC3V 9HD </td> </tr> <tr></tr> <tr></tr> </table> Discussion: Tue 05/09/2017/10:17 AM UTC+01/ itsupport@lmktec.co.uk (email) <div style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; background-color:#C0C0C0;">--REPLY above this line to respond-- This ticket has been updated by christian@ilm-provider.de (email) Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, ich befinde mich bis zum 11.09.2017 im Urlaub. Für alle Absender, die von der Neugier gepackt sind: Raten Sie mit: Ich bin im Urlaub weil… a) …ich endlich mal wieder ein paar T-Bone Steaks grillen und dazu ein Bier genießen wollte. b) …ich mich seelisch auf das nächste Sport-Großereignis vorbereiten möchte. c) …ich den Jungs mal wieder einen Bier-Abend schulde. d) …ich es mir verdient habe! Dem Gewinner winkt eine Antwort von mir auf diese E-Mail, aber ab dem 11.09.2017 bin ich sonst auch wieder für Sie erreichbar. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte direkt an Morris Schwarz: morris.schwarz@ilm-provider.de oder allgemein: info@ilm-provider.de Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Knöfel Full ticket details Ticket #227393 Ticket: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Status: Re-Opened Company: Landmark PLC Contact: Carel Venter Phone: 020 7870 9354 x3354 Address: 4 Lombard Street London EC3V 9HD Discussion: Tue 05/09/2017/10:17 AM UTC+01/ christian@ilm-provider.de (email) Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, ich befinde mich bis zum 11.09.2017 im Urlaub. Für alle Absender, die von der Neugier gepackt sind: Raten Sie mit: Ich bin im Urlaub weil… a) …ich endlich mal wieder ein paar T-Bone Steaks grillen und dazu ein Bier genießen wollte. b) …ich mich seelisch auf das nächste Sport-Großereignis vorbereiten möchte. c) …ich den Jungs mal wieder einen Bier-Abend schulde. d) …ich es mir verdient habe! Dem Gewinner winkt eine Antwort von mir auf diese E-Mail, aber ab dem 11.09.2017 bin ich sonst auch wieder für Sie erreichbar. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte direkt an Morris Schwarz: morris.schwarz@ilm-provider.de oder allgemein: info@ilm-provider.de Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Knöfel Tue 05/09/2017/10:07 AM UTC+01/ telco telco@intrinsec.com (email) Dear Landmark Technologies, We would like to acknowledge that we have received your request and a ticket has been created. A support representative will be reviewing your request and will send you a personal response.(usually within 24 hours). To view the status of the ticket or add comments, please visit https://support.cloud-temple.com/helpdesk/tickets/6434 Thank you for your patience. Sincerely, Cloud Temple Team 6434:154148 Tue 05/09/2017/10:07 AM UTC+01/ itsupport@lmktec.co.uk (email) --REPLY above this line to respond-- This ticket has been updated by Mason Wilson Stop Spamming! Please remove me from this list! __________________ Diese Nachricht wurde auf einem mobilen Ger?t erstellt Am 05.09.2017 um 10:54 schrieb R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>: CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON'T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72<tel:+31617544472> ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. Mathias Peter [https://www.mathpeter.com/sites/default/files/styles/asset_image_full/public/assets/images/peter-logo-digital-gross-rgb.jpg?itok=OpIvJDVS] Freiburger Stra?e 19 79258 Hartheim Tel.: Fax.: eMail: MPeter@mathpeter.com Website: www.mathpeter.com ________________________________ Ab sofort f?r alle Kunden: Rechnungszahlung per SEPA Lastschrift. Nie wieder vergessene Rechnungen. Fordern Sie Ihr SEPA Mandat noch heute an. [https://www.mathpeter.com/sites/default/files/styles/asset_image_full/public/assets/images/lastschrift.png] Sie haben Fragen zum Thema SEPA Lastschriften? Sprechen Sie uns an, wir helfen Ihnen gerne! ________________________________ Die in dieser eMail und den dazugeh?rigen Anh?ngen (zusammen die Nachricht) enthaltenen Informationen sind nur f?r den Adressaten bestimmt und k?nnen vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie die Nachricht irrt?mlich erhalten haben, l?schen Sie die Nachricht bitte und benachrichtigen Sie den Absender, ohne die Nachricht zu kopieren oder zu verteilen oder ihren Inhalt an andere Personen weiterzugeben. Ausser bei Vorsatz oder grober Fahrl?ssigkeit schliessen wir jegliche Haftung f?r Verluste oder Sch?den aus, die durch virenbefallene Software oder eMails verursacht werden. Tue 05/09/2017/10:05 AM UTC+01/ Mason Wilson (time)- Stop Spamming! Please remove me from this list! __________________ Diese Nachricht wurde auf einem mobilen Ger?t erstellt Am 05.09.2017 um 10:54 schrieb R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>: CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON'T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wr...</div><hr size="1" />Tue 05/09/2017/10:17 AM UTC+01/ christian@ilm-provider.de (email) <div style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; background-color:#C0C0C0;">Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, ich befinde mich bis zum 11.09.2017 im Urlaub. Für alle Absender, die von der Neugier gepackt sind: Raten Sie mit: Ich bin im Urlaub weil… a) …ich endlich mal wieder ein paar T-Bone Steaks grillen und dazu ein Bier genießen wollte. b) …ich mich seelisch auf das nächste Sport-Großereignis vorbereiten möchte. c) …ich den Jungs mal wieder einen Bier-Abend schulde. d) …ich es mir verdient habe! Dem Gewinner winkt eine Antwort von mir auf diese E-Mail, aber ab dem 11.09.2017 bin ich sonst auch wieder für Sie erreichbar. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte direkt an Morris Schwarz: morris.schwarz@ilm-provider.de oder allgemein: info@ilm-provider.de Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Knöfel</div><hr size="1" />Tue 05/09/2017/10:07 AM UTC+01/ telco telco@intrinsec.com (email) <div style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; background-color:#CEE2FB;">Dear Landmark Technologies, We would like to acknowledge that we have received your request and a ticket has been created. A support representative will be reviewing your request and will send you a personal response.(usually within 24 hours). To view the status of the ticket or add comments, please visit https://support.cloud-temple.com/helpdesk/tickets/6434 Thank you for your patience. Sincerely, Cloud Temple Team 6434:154148</div><hr size="1" />Tue 05/09/2017/10:07 AM UTC+01/ itsupport@lmktec.co.uk (email) <div style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; background-color:#C0C0C0;">--REPLY above this line to respond-- This ticket has been updated by Mason Wilson Stop Spamming! Please remove me from this list! __________________ Diese Nachricht wurde auf einem mobilen Ger?t erstellt Am 05.09.2017 um 10:54 schrieb R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>: CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON'T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72<tel:+31617544472> ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. Mathias Peter [https://www.mathpeter.com/sites/default/files/styles/asset_image_full/public/assets/images/peter-logo-digital-gross-rgb.jpg?itok=OpIvJDVS] Freiburger Stra?e 19 79258 Hartheim Tel.: Fax.: eMail: MPeter@mathpeter.com Website: www.mathpeter.com ________________________________ Ab sofort f?r alle Kunden: Rechnungszahlung per SEPA Lastschrift. Nie wieder vergessene Rechnungen. Fordern Sie Ihr SEPA Mandat noch heute an. [https://www.mathpeter.com/sites/default/files/styles/asset_image_full/public/assets/images/lastschrift.png] Sie haben Fragen zum Thema SEPA Lastschriften? Sprechen Sie uns an, wir helfen Ihnen gerne! ________________________________ Die in dieser eMail und den dazugeh?rigen Anh?ngen (zusammen die Nachricht) enthaltenen Informationen sind nur f?r den Adressaten bestimmt und k?nnen vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie die Nachricht irrt?mlich erhalten haben, l?schen Sie die Nachricht bitte und benachrichtigen Sie den Absender, ohne die Nachricht zu kopieren oder zu verteilen oder ihren Inhalt an andere Personen weiterzugeben. Ausser bei Vorsatz oder grober Fahrl?ssigkeit schliessen wir jegliche Haftung f?r Verluste oder Sch?den aus, die durch virenbefallene Software oder eMails verursacht werden. Tue 05/09/2017/10:05 AM UTC+01/ Mason Wilson (time)- Stop Spamming! Please remove me from this list!!!</div><hr size="1" />Tue 05/09/2017/10:05 AM UTC+01/ MPeter@mathpeter.com (email) <div style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; background-color:#C0C0C0;">Stop spaming! Now! Keep me out of this stuff!!! __________________ Diese Nachricht wurde auf einem mobilen Ger?t erstellt Am 05.09.2017 um 10:54 schrieb R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>: CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON'T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72<tel:+31617544472> ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. Mathias Peter [https://www.mathpeter.com/sites/default/files/styles/asset_image_full/public/assets/images/peter-logo-digital-gross-rgb.jpg?itok=OpIvJDVS] Freiburger Stra?e 19 79258 Hartheim Tel.: Fax.: eMail: MPeter@mathpeter.com Website: www.mathpeter.com ________________________________ Ab sofort f?r alle Kunden: Rechnungszahlung per SEPA Lastschrift. Nie wieder vergessene Rechnungen. Fordern Sie Ihr SEPA Mandat noch heute an. [https://www.mathpeter.com/sites/default/files/styles/asset_image_full/public/assets/images/lastschrift.png] Sie haben Fragen zum Thema SEPA Lastschriften? Sprechen Sie uns an, wir helfen Ihnen gerne! ________________________________ Die in dieser eMail und den dazugeh?rigen Anh?ngen (zusammen die Nachricht) enthaltenen Informationen sind nur f?r den Adressaten bestimmt und k?nnen vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie die Nachricht irrt?mlich erhalten haben, l?schen Sie die Nachricht bitte und benachrichtigen Sie den Absender, ohne die Nachricht zu kopieren oder zu verteilen oder ihren Inhalt an andere Personen weiterzugeben. Ausser bei Vorsatz oder grober Fahrl?ssigkeit schliessen wir jegliche Haftung f?r Verluste oder Sch?den aus, die durch virenbefallene Software oder eMails verursacht werden.</div><hr size="1" />Tue 05/09/2017/10:05 AM UTC+01/ Mason Wilson (time)- <div style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; background-color:#D6E3BC;">Stop Spamming! Please remove me from this list!!! </div>      </div>  </body> </html>