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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]
<b>De la part de</b> R. van Laake<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 5 septembre 2017 10:54<br>
<b>À :</b> Tim Armstrong; Catalin Dominte<br>
<b>Cc :</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Armstrong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52<br>
<b>To:</b> Catalin Dominte<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">I agree entirely.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <<a href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk" target="_blank">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated
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