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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please remove me from this list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Izdehar Safarini<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 5, 2017 12:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Loïc LAFHEJ <llafhej@yooth-it.com>; Fabrizio Saro <fabrizio.s@fluentis.com>; EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com>; 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk><br>
<b>Cc:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please remove me from this list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#F15D2A">Izdehar Safarini<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Loïc LAFHEJ<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 5 September, 2017 12:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Fabrizio Saro <<a href="mailto:fabrizio.s@fluentis.com">fabrizio.s@fluentis.com</a>>; EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <<a href="mailto:mriosfer@easydatahost.com">mriosfer@easydatahost.com</a>>; 'R. van Laake' <<a href="mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu">r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu</a>>;
'Tim Armstrong' <<a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a>>; 'Catalin Dominte' <<a href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Me too please !!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De :</span></b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>De la part de</b> Fabrizio Saro<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 5 septembre 2017 11:21<br>
<b>À :</b> EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <<a href="mailto:mriosfer@easydatahost.com">mriosfer@easydatahost.com</a>>; 'R. van Laake' <<a href="mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu">r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu</a>>; 'Tim Armstrong' <<a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a>>;
'Catalin Dominte' <<a href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a>><br>
<b>Cc :</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Please take me off!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="IT" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Da:</span></b><span lang="IT" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>Per conto di </b>EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez<br>
<b>Inviato:</b> martedì 5 settembre 2017 10:56<br>
<b>A:</b> 'R. van Laake' <<a href="mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu">r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu</a>>; 'Tim Armstrong' <<a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a>>; 'Catalin Dominte' <<a href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">+1 , I didnt add to this thread…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De:</span></b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>En nombre de </b>R. van Laake<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 5 de septiembre de 2017 10:54<br>
<b>Para:</b> Tim Armstrong <<a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a>>; Catalin Dominte <<a href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a>><br>
<b>CC:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Armstrong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52<br>
<b>To:</b> Catalin Dominte<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">I agree entirely.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <<a href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk" target="_blank">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported
them all as spam, but they never stop. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Catalin Dominte</span></b><span lang="NL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="m-4659045675559036009airmailon"><span lang="NL">On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (<a href="mailto:telco@intrinsec.com" target="_blank">telco@intrinsec.com</a>) wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated
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