<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Lu,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I am surprised that you decided to comment on the list on this subject. Also surprised that David (your colleague - my ex-colleague) is mass mailing. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">If an ex-NCC employee uses the RIPE Database for mass mailing, even though he should know better, I believe there is no fix to this problem.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Cogent spams every new holder of IPs, they have been doing it for years and nobody does anything about it... </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I wonder if the RIPE NCC has ever done anything to the cases reported so far, </span>maybe it's time the RIPE NCC comes with some clear examples of how the RIPE DB abusers get punished.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Otherwise, 20-50 spams daily + 2-5 offers from Cogent + e-mails from dozens of wannabe IP brokers is what every new member has to get used to.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">elvis</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>Excuse the briefness of this mail, it was sent from a mobile device.</div><div><br>On Sep 5, 2017, at 01:40, Lu Heng <<a href="mailto:h.lu@outsideheaven.com">h.lu@outsideheaven.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div dir="auto">Hi</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think the only thing one can do is increase technical difficulty for mass gathering DB personal emails.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For personal contact...I mean we are at social network age, if someone really wants to contact you, they always can.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 17:36 Tim Armstrong <<a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div>Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. <div>Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.</div><div><br></div><div>We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.</div><div><br></div><div>I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott.</div><div>The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".</div><div><br></div><div>I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? </div><div>At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Tim.</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="m_-5232778470831520153gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><img src="https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download" width="96" height="31"><br></div><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><b style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><font size="2">Tim Armstrong</font><br></b><font color="#888888">Dark Lord of Network Operations<br></font><font color="#999999" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><a href="tel:+31617544472" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" target="_blank">+31 6 175 444 72</a></font></span></span></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div></div> </div></div> ----<br> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br> <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br> <br> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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