<html><head><style>body{font-family:Open Sans,Arial;font-size:13px}</style></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Open Sans,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">R. van Laake, the bottom of every email from the mailing list says:</div><div><blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq" style="font-family: 'Open Sans', Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div lang="NL" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss</p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq" style="font-family: 'Open Sans', Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div lang="NL" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br><a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br><br>Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote>The members cannot remove you from the mailing list, you'll need to adjust it yourself from the LIR portal.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind Regards</div><div>Dean.</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Open Sans,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"> </div><div id="bloop_sign_1504601766962408192" class="bloop_sign"> <p style="font-family: Open Sans, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;"> <a class="clink" href="http://www.call27.net"> <img id="sig-logo" src="http://www.call27.net/images/avatar.jpg" alt="Call27 Limited" name="sig-logo" border="0"> </a> </p> <p style="font-family: Open Sans, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; line-height: 11px; color: #999;"> <strong>Dean Johnston</strong> <span id="title-sep">/ </span> Technical Director<br> <span id="mobile-input" class="txt" style="color: #999;">(0191) 580 2727 </span> <span id="email-sep" class="txt">/</span> <a id="email-input" class="link email" style="color: #dda200;" name="email-input" href="mailto:dean@call27.net">dean@call27.net</a> </p> <p style="font-family: Open San, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; line-height: 11px;"> <span id="company-input" class="txt" style="font-weight: bold; color: #999;">Call27 Telecommunications Limited</span><span id="address-sep"><br></span><span id="address-input" class="txt" style="color: #999;">18 Riverside Studios, Newcastle Upon Tyne, NE4 7YL</span> <br> <a id="website-input" class="link" style="color: #dda200;" name="website-input" href="http://www.call27.net">http://www.call27.net</a> </p> <p> <a id="facebook-input" class="social" name="facebook-input" href="https://fb.me/call27"> <img src="http://www.call27.net/images/email-sig/facebook.png" alt="Facebook"></a> <a id="twitter-input" class="social" name="twitter-input" href="https://www.twitter.com/call27net"><img src="http://www.call27.net/images/email-sig/twitter.png" alt="Twitter"></a> <a id="googleplus-input" class="social" name="googleplus-input" href="https://plus.google.com/+Call27Net/"><img src="http://www.call27.net/images/email-sig/google-plus.png" alt="Google Plus"></a> <a id="linkedin-input" class="social" name="linkedin-input" href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/call27"><img src="http://www.call27.net/images/email-sig/linkedin.png" alt="Linkedin"> </a> </p> <p id="disclaimer-input" class="txt" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; color: #999; font-size: 9px; line-height: 11px;">This e-mail message may contain confidential or legally privileged information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). 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Any opinion and other statement contained in this message and any attachment are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. </p> </div> <div class="airmail_ext_on" style="color:black"><br>From: <span style="color:black">R. van Laake</span> <a href="mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu"><r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu></a><br>Reply: <span style="color:black">R. van Laake</span> <a href="mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu"><r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu></a><br>Date: <span style="color:black">5 September 2017 at 09:55:11</span><br>To: <span style="color:black">Tim Armstrong</span> <a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com"><t.armstrong@nerdalize.com></a>, <span style="color:black">Catalin Dominte</span> <a href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk"><catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk></a><br>Cc: <span style="color:black">members-discuss@ripe.net</span> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"><members-discuss@ripe.net></a><br>Subject: <span style="color:black"> <br></span></div><br> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div lang="NL" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div></div><div>  <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Armstrong<br> <b>Sent:</b> dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52<br> <b>To:</b> Catalin Dominte<br> <b>Cc:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">I agree entirely.<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <<a href="mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk" target="_blank">catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div id="m_-4659045675559036009bloop_customfont"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div id="m_-4659045675559036009bloop_customfont"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div id="m_-4659045675559036009bloop_customfont"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div id="m_-4659045675559036009bloop_sign_1504600906517597952"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Catalin Dominte</span></b><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Office: <a href="tel:+44%201628%20200219" target="_blank">+44 (0)1628 200 219</a></span></i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:9.75pt"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#777777">The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. 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Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="m-4659045675559036009airmailon">On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (<a href="mailto:telco@intrinsec.com" target="_blank">telco@intrinsec.com</a>) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br> Comment added by : Tim Armstrong<br> <br> Comment Content:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies!<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <<a href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com" target="_blank">t.armstrong@nerdalize.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Tim.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m-4659045675559036009hoenzb"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#888888">--</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#888888"><img border="0" width="97" height="31" id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><span class="m-4659045675559036009hoenzb"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888">Tim Armstrong</span></b></span><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888"><br></span></b><span class="m-4659045675559036009hoenzb"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888">Dark Lord of Network Operations</span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888"><br></span><span class="m-4659045675559036009hoenzb"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#999999;background:white">+31 6 175 444 72</span></span><o:p></o:p></pre> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">--<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><img border="0" width="97" height="31" id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888">Tim Armstrong<br></span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888">Dark Lord of Network Operations<br></span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#999999;background:white">+31 6 175 444 72</span><o:p></o:p></pre> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </blockquote> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"fdtktid","serif";color:white">6372:154148</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal">---- <br> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss <br> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: <br> <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> <br> <br> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> ----<br> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br> <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br> <br> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> <br clear="all"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><img border="0" width="97" height="31" id="_x0000_i1027" src="https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download"><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888">Tim Armstrong<br></span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888">Dark Lord of Network Operations<br></span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#999999;background:white"><a href="tel:+31617544472" target="_blank">+31 6 175 444 72</a></span><o:p></o:p></pre> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> ---- <br>If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss <br>mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: <br>https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ <br> <br>Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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