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11pt;font-family: Calibri;">Cyprian,<br><br>Thank you for confirming
that you used RIPE Database information for direct marketing purposes.<br><br>RIPE
NCC: can you confirm whether or not using RIPE Database information for
direct marketing purposes is a violation of the Recognised IPv4
Transfer Broker Agreement?<br><br>Nick<br><blockquote style="border: 0px
none;"
cite="mid:CAH6a+YWUQ=5fWZzwFzPdOCkPsmCaiats4LtWRUmAnZ2R1kEkAw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"><div style="margin:30px 25px 10px 25px;" class="__pbConvHr"><div
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style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:49%;"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:office@ip-broker.uk"
style="color:#485664
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none
!important;">Ciprian Nica</a></div> <div
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:
right;"> <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">10
October 2016 at 16:25</span></font></div> </div></div><div
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__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div dir="ltr">Yes, I have used
the specific contact details for the specific block. How can anyone get
in contact with the user of a specific block of IPs if not by using the
contact details listed for that block ? <div><br></div><div>I didn't
deny that, I only said that I didn't dig for a bunch of e-mails to send a
spam advertising some service or product. I specifically contacted the
listed persons for each specific block that I've found to be unused.</div><div><br></div><div>Once
again I apologize if sending you a single e-mail for a specific block
that is not in use really causes so much trouble.</div><div><br></div></div><div
class="gmail_extra"><br><br></div>
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style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:49%;">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nick@netability.ie"
style="color:#485664
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none
!important;">Nick Hilliard</a></div> <div
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:
right;"> <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">10
October 2016 at 16:20</span></font></div> </div></div><div
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<div style="font-size:
11pt;font-family: Calibri;">Cyprian,<br><br>You used a specific email
address that has only ever been used by me in the RIPE database. If you
have used it, and particularly if you have used it in association with a
specific range of RIPE NCC-assigned ipv4 addresses, it means that this
information has been pulled either directly or indirectly from the RIPE
database.<br><br>Nick<br><br></div></div><div style="margin:30px 25px
10px 25px;" class="__pbConvHr"><div style="width:100%;border-top:2px
solid #EDF1F4;padding-top:10px;"> <div
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:49%;">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:office@ip-broker.uk"
style="color:#485664
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none
!important;">Ciprian Nica</a></div> <div
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:
right;"> <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">10
October 2016 at 16:12</span></font></div> </div></div><div
style="color:#909AA4;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;"
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div dir="ltr">Hi Nick,<div><br></div><div>First
of all, I have not used the ripe database contact info to send
marketing, advertising or anything to promote a service or product.</div><div><br></div><div>I
apologize to anyone that was disturbed by my e-mail. I have tried not
to send any duplicates and limited as much as possible any discomfort.
I'm not doing this on a regular basis and probably you've never got an
e-mail from me before.</div><div><br></div><div>There are 43 million IP
addresses which are allocated in RIPE region and are not announced in
the global BGP table. Of course there are some which are not announced
on purpose and to those I apologize again. But there are many IP
addresses which are not in use and the only way to get in touch with the
users is by contacting them using obviously publicly available contact
information.</div><div><br></div><div>I have e-mailed contacts for
specific subnets that were checked to be not advertised. How else should
we get the IPs to the market ? There's no tool provided by RIPE or any
other solution to push this huge amount to the market. Maybe some are
concerned that bringing up the unused space will lower the prices. Well,
I am not supporting those who sit on huge amount of IPs and seek prices
in the 10+ EUR range. I really hope IPv6 will move quicker and in a
couple of years no IPv4 will have value so while there is still some
demand, we're doing our best to find the supply, to dig it up to the
surface.</div><div><br></div><div>So, once again at this moment there
are over 43 million IPs in the RIPE region only that are not advertised
in the BGP table. The total amount of IPs transferred over the past 4
years in the RIPE region is ~27 million.</div><div><br></div><div>I
apologize if my method was too extreme and have upset some people but I
promise not to bother you again. Most likely there are people who just
sit on the resources and don't care about other's needs. We can't seem
to be able to lift their butts off them.</div><div><br></div><div>Have a
nice week,</div><div>Ciprian</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div
class="gmail_extra"><br><br></div>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nick@netability.ie"
style="color:#485664
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none
!important;">Nick Hilliard</a></div> <div
style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:
right;"> <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">10
October 2016 at 15:20</span></font></div> </div></div><div
style="color:#909AA4;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;"
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><pre wrap="">I've received several copies of the template email below about several
different address ranges, all sent to email addresses culled from the
RIPE Database. They all appear to originate from Cyprian Nica / IP
Broker Ltd.
In order to be listed as an IP broker on the RIPE web site, it is
necessary to sign the "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement". This
includes the following text:
</pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC
procedural documents, [...]
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap=""><!---->
The RIPE Database T&Cs include the following text:
</pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Users may not use the RIPE Database or the data contained therein for
advertising, direct marketing, marketing research or similar purposes.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap=""><!---->
Could the RIPE NCC kindly confirm whether or not spamming contact email
address gleaned from the RIPE DB is a violation of the Recognised IPv4
Transfer Broker Agreement?
If this isn't a violation, could the Board consider specifically adding
an anti-spamming term into the IP Broker T&Cs listing?
Nick
Ciprian Nica wrote:
</pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Dear Sirs,
My name is Ciprian Nica and I'm the CEO of IP Broker Ltd, one of the
first IPv4 Address brokers in the RIPE region. I am contacting you
regarding the block of 256 IPv4 addresses (from x.x.x.0 to
'y.y.y.255') which according to our data seems to be not in use as
they are not announced in the global BGP table.
If you no longer need these IP addresses then it is a good moment to
sell them. The global IPv6 deployment rate is around 15% while in USA
is around 30% so in a couple of years IPv4 might become worthless
again.
Of course that besides the subnet mentioned above there might be some
other blocks that you might not need. Please let us know all the
blocks of IP addresses that you no longer need and we will do our
best to sell them in a fast and secure way.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap=""><!---->
</pre><blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Thank you,
Ciprian Nica
CEO
IP Broker Limited
t: +44 20 339 339 91
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