<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please remove me from this e-mail list</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:roger.baakki@n4.nu" class="">roger.baakki@n4.nu</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Vidarebefordrat brev:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Från: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Lu Heng <<a href="mailto:h.lu@outsideheaven.com" class="">h.lu@outsideheaven.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Ämne: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Re: [members-discuss] Executive Board Resolution on Legacy Internet Resource Holders</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Datum: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">27 september 2016 08:58:55 CEST<br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Till: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Hank Nussbacher <<a href="mailto:hank@efes.iucc.ac.il" class="">hank@efes.iucc.ac.il</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Kopia: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br class=""></span></div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Hi<br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Hank Nussbacher<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:hank@efes.iucc.ac.il" target="_blank" class="">hank@efes.iucc.ac.il</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><span class="">On 26/09/2016 23:47, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote:<br class="">> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016, at 17:16, Hank Nussbacher wrote:<br class="">>> Acquiring small bits of legacy IP space to bypass LIR membership dues<br class="">>> and to then be entitled to get more IP address space goes totally<br class="">>> against the spirit of RIPE and I totally approve the Executive Board's<br class="">>> decision and would recommend even further sanctions against those that<br class="">>> have done it.<br class="">> Could someone remind us why in the first place:<br class="">> - a legacy block can be broken into smaller pieces (which can then be<br class="">> transferred)<br class="">> - after the transfer, the parts of the old legacy block still remain<br class="">> tagged as legacy<br class="">> - what stops the "convert to PA" (or PI, whatever) from being a<br class="">> prerequisite to a transfer (or even to a split of the original legacy<br class="">> block)<br class="">> - more generally why the stance of "giving full rights to legacy<br class="">> holders", but with only voluntary respect of the obligations<br class="">><br class="">> I can understand that a legacy space holder can keep the space<br class="">> "received" before the existence of the NCC, but not the fact that others<br class="">> can acquire that kind of space and pretend to the same treatment.<br class=""></span>I agree with you. If a legacy owner sells all or part of their legacy<br class="">IP space, that IP space should lose its legacy status.<br class=""><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><br class=""></font></span></blockquote><div class="">How technically possible to "loss" its legacy status if it's status was not given by RIPE. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is not an treatment by RIPE NCC, so they don't have to pretend to have it, they have it, period.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unless an newly established contract relation that specifically state that they give up such status voluntarily, in which is what we are discussing here now.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But for my personal view, as long as legacy holder update their whois record(RIPE NCC pay for the database maintenance), I agree with Erik, there is no need to bring them into the LIR system.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class="">-Hank<br class=""></font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">----<br class="">If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br class="">mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br class=""><a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://lirportal.ripe.net/<wbr class="">general/</a><br class=""><br class="">Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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