<div dir="ltr"><div>Regarding this discussion, here is my suggestions about what i think that can be done:</div><div><br></div><div> - Disallow LIRs to profit from IPv4 Transfers. If they aren't using resources, they should return them, not making money of them in a "black market". IPv4 Resources are owned by the community, not by a single LIR. No one should be able to create a market of these. If they're selling, i'm pretty sure they don't need them, because the ones who really need, will not be selling them at any cost.</div><div><br></div><div>- Start to allocate a minimum of /24 instead of /22 to new LIRs and allow them to get up to /22 in the first two years if they need. (A /24 each 6 months for example)</div><div><br></div><div>- Start charging by size of IPv4 allocation (setting a minimum and a maximum each year);</div><div><br></div><div>- Use the excessive money made from Annual Membership Fees to fund IPv6 Workshops, IPv6 implementation in opensource projects and internet protocols, IPv6 Marketing material for ISPs, Datacenters, Webhosting companies, Universities and end-users, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>- Reduce the Annual Membership Fee, compensate or even pay something to LIRs (using the excessive money - see above) that return their unused Resource Allocations. I'm pretty sure 99% of LIRs who have big unused resource allocations, will not make any move if they don't win something in return.</div><div><br></div><div>We need to give a boost to IPv6, but we all know that most of the big ISPs have previously been gathering more IPv4 allocations than they needed in order to take advantage of the future limitations that would occur, putting IPv6 implementation in second place.</div><div><br></div><div>If they start being charged by allocation, they will think about returning resources they aren't using and prioritize implementation of IPv6. In my opinion, as a community member, LIRs should have the allocations they need, not the allocations they want.</div><div><br></div><div>(Sorry for any grammatical or syntax error.)</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>TEOTÓNIO RICARDO: Technical Support & Account Manager @ WebTuga, Lda.</div><div>blog: <a href="http://blog.webtuga.pt">blog.webtuga.pt</a> - web: <a href="http://www.webtuga.pt">www.webtuga.pt</a> - area de clientes: <a href="http://clientes.webtuga.pt">clientes.webtuga.pt</a></div><div>twitter: @webtugahosting - facebook: <a href="http://fb.me/webtugahostingfb">fb.me/webtugahostingfb</a></div><div>WebTuga - Soluções de Alojamento Cloud</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-09-22 22:51 GMT+01:00 Carlos Friacas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cfriacas@fccn.pt" target="_blank">cfriacas@fccn.pt</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br> <br> Hi Martin, All,<span class=""><br> <br> <br> On Thu, 22 Sep 2016, Martin List-Petersen wrote:<br> <br> </span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""> On 22/09/16 20:58, Carlos Friacas wrote:<br> </span><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> Forgot to mention that this outreach should have included strong<br> messages so governments could be aware they should grab enough IPv4<br> addresses to satisfy their needs, in order to become truly independent<br> from their current (or future) IP service providers.<br> <br> Some governments only understood they needed to "own" their share of<br> IPv4 space when it was too late, and only got small crumbs... :-(<br> <br> In general, public administration procedures lead to periodic tenders,<br> and service providers (ISPs) are likely to change, and renumbering<br> processes become unavoidable if you don't "own" PI space, Legacy space<br> our your own PA space... ;-)<br> </blockquote> <br> More backwards thinking.<br> </span></blockquote> <br> Nahhhhh, just a glimpse of local, daily, reality. :-))<span class=""><br> <br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Those Governments should have pushed for a migration to IPv6 instead of looking for small crumbs and acting as a forerunner.<br> </blockquote> <br></span> At some extent, several governments over the years have funded sectorial-driven deployments :-)<span class=""><br> <br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Then use the crumbs for NATPT bridging them to the parts of the Internet, that don't use v6 yet.<br> </blockquote> <br></span> You mean, the large majority... ;-)<span class=""><br> <br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> It would also pushed the suppliers in the right direction then.<br> </blockquote> <br></span> I would say that suppliers aren't being pushed enough, even today... ;-(<br> <br> <br> Regards,<br> Carlos<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br> <br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Kind regards,<br> Martin List-Petersen<br> -- <br> Airwire Ltd. - Ag Nascadh Pobail an Iarthair<br> <a href="http://www.airwire.ie" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.airwire.ie</a><br> Phone: 091-865 968<br> Registered Office: Moy, Kinvara, Co. 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