<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000099"> ??????????????? <div class="moz-cite-prefix">W dniu 2016-09-14 o 12:38, Tim Armstrong pisze: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:b9d5da3e-e72e-dbeb-7832-00cf911866cf@nerdalize.com" type="cite"> <meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"> Fearghas explicitly identified: <blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">How does an IX that operates at Layer 2 drive the price of IPv4 up ?</pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> While I've never seen a Layer2 only IX (presumably just an unmanaged switch in a colo DC?). The specific question is quite succinct. Presumably Fearchas operates, participates in, or knows of such an IX. -Tim <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/09/16 12:27, Silvan M. Gebhardt wrote: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:491888197.3089013.1473848838598.JavaMail.zimbra@openfactory.ch" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">yes but the IX assigns the Peering IP's in their subnet Allocation ;) so it would be "Price v4 and v6 peering ip's differently" ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----- Von: "Tim Armstrong" <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com"><t.armstrong@nerdalize.com></a> An: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. September 2016 12:17:23 Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Input from Membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model You do understand Layer2 is MAC right? IP is in Layer3. On 14/09/16 12:07, Paul Webb wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Sell IPv6 ports and IPv4 ports ? -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On Behalf Of Fearghas Mckay Sent: 14 September 2016 11:02 To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Input from Membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model Paul </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On 14 Sep 2016, at 10:40, Paul Webb <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Paul.Webb@clearstreamgroup.co.uk"><Paul.Webb@clearstreamgroup.co.uk></a> wrote: Certainly RIPE, but organisations such as the IX's, could also start making IPv4 more expensive and help the migration and I'd argue they should be. Sadly the larger LIR's have a disproportionate influence in all the important places, which doesn't help. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">How does an IX that operates at Layer 2 drive the price of IPv4 up ? Chris </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">If you look at the UK for example, I can't think of any large LIR/ISP that is fully IPv6 ready (there's only one I can think of that isn't too far off), yet I can think of many smaller ones that are 100% good to go and have been for some time. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Apart from BT and Sky that have both just finished the v6 rollouts. f ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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