<div dir="ltr">I'll second that. There is no reason to have the same endless discussion once again.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">It would be nice if we could reclaim unused IPv4 space, but it is not possible since it has turned into a commodity and no companies are willing to give it up voluntarily. Simply put, it's not going to happen. So, forget about the past and focus on the future instead.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I think the current pricing of another LIR account is fine - by no means it should be lower, since that would just speed up the exhaustion of IPv4 while allowing Russian hustlers & hoarders to make a quick profit.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Regards,<br><div><br></div><div>Yoel Caspersen</div><div>CEO</div><div>Kviknet.dk ApS</div></div></div></div></div></div> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Dominik Nowacki <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk" target="_blank">dominik@clouvider.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="auto"> <div>Honestly, this discussion keeps coming back on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Please read the list archive. There was a very very very _very_ lengthy discussion around this subject.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Just read from A to Z before you start exactly the same discussion 3 months later. Nothing changed that justifies it.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks!<br> <br> <div><font style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);font-size:13pt">With Kind Regards,</font><font style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);font-size:13pt"> </font></div> <span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font>Dominik Nowacki</font><font> </font><font><br> </font><font> </font><font><br> Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: </font><a href="tel:08750969" target="_blank"><u>08750969</u></a><font>. Registered office: </font><a><u>88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS</u></a><font>. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. 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If verification is required please request a hard-copy version.</font></span><font><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> </span><br> </font></div><div><div class="h5"> <div><br> On 21 Jul 2016, at 18:06, David Benwell <<a href="mailto:dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk" target="_blank">dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br> <br> </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Let’s look at why ripe are limiting LR’s to a final /22<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span>1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">To ensure new members get a fair share of resources from the last /8 ?<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">If the above is correct then the ability to register additional LR’s for the sole reason to get additional /22 could be seen to abuse the very reason why ripe put the limit in the first place. <u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">This does not protect resources but makes ripe a lot more money.<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Why have a rule in place then allow loop holes. You might had not bothered limiting LR’s to a /22 just charge XXX for an additional /22 if that is the true reason why ripe came out with the rule.<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Nguyen<br> <b>Sent:</b> 21 July 2016 17:59<br> <b>To:</b> Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net" target="_blank">gert@space.net</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p> <p class="MsoNormal">If you can't afford the measly few thousand euros for another LIR, perhaps you shouldn't be an LIR in the first place. I would keep prices as they are.<u></u><u></u></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Jonny<u></u><u></u></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net" target="_blank">gert@space.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br> <br> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 06:08:02PM +0200, Ping IP wrote:<br> > I'm not talking about the sign-up fee for a new LIR member, but about<br> > the sign-up fee for an additional LIR account.<br> <br> I think the sign-up fee being equal for all sorts of LIR accounts is<br> a very good thing, and the total amount is reasonable.<br> <br> So, NCC, please leave things as they are.<br> <br> Gert Doering<br> -- NetMaster<br> --<br> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<br> <br> SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. 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