<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> </head> <body dir="auto"> <div>Honestly, this discussion keeps coming back on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.</div> <div id="AppleMailSignature"><br> </div> <div id="AppleMailSignature">Please read the list archive. There was a very very very _very_ lengthy discussion around this subject.</div> <div id="AppleMailSignature"><br> </div> <div id="AppleMailSignature">Just read from A to Z before you start exactly the same discussion 3 months later. 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If verification is required please request a hard-copy version.</font></span><font><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span><br> </font></div> <div><br> On 21 Jul 2016, at 18:06, David Benwell <<a href="mailto:dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk">dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br> <br> </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Let’s look at why ripe are limiting LR’s to a final /22<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">To ensure new members get a fair share of resources from the last /8 ?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If the above is correct then the ability to register additional LR’s for the sole reason to get additional /22 could be seen to abuse the very reason why ripe put the limit in the first place. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This does not protect resources but makes ripe a lot more money.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Why have a rule in place then allow loop holes. You might had not bothered limiting LR’s to a /22 just charge XXX for an additional /22 if that is the true reason why ripe came out with the rule.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Nguyen<br> <b>Sent:</b> 21 July 2016 17:59<br> <b>To:</b> Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">If you can't afford the measly few thousand euros for another LIR, perhaps you shouldn't be an LIR in the first place. I would keep prices as they are.<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Jonny<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br> <br> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 06:08:02PM +0200, Ping IP wrote:<br> > I'm not talking about the sign-up fee for a new LIR member, but about<br> > the sign-up fee for an additional LIR account.<br> <br> I think the sign-up fee being equal for all sorts of LIR accounts is<br> a very good thing, and the total amount is reasonable.<br> <br> So, NCC, please leave things as they are.<br> <br> Gert Doering<br> -- NetMaster<br> --<br> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<br> <br> SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. 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