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<p>Hello Dave,</p>
<p>the IP Address Policy Working Group has a mailing list for this
discussion, please go there.</p>
<p>And please read the discussions we had on this list in the last
few month and watch the videos from RIPE72 about this topic. Then
write a policy proposal and send it to the APWG mailing list.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
Wilhelm<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.05.2016 um 10:34 schrieb David
Benwell:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With IPv4 running out and LIRs only being
allowed final /22 in my view makes it unfair to new members
who may need additional addresses.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">With some of the other LIRs having for
example /19 unused makes it unfair for them to advertise their
unused address space on the transfer service and want to
charge up words of £8 per IP Address.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Given the fact the IP Addresses is a public
resource, I fail to see how it should be allowed for LIRs to
make a profit out of unused space.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There should be a policy and if the address
space is not used / required, it must be handed back to the
public pool of resources so can then be allocated to other
LIRS as part of their annual membership.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I even recall the Government sitting on “I
believe” a /8 and then tried to sell this off to raise money.
Again this should not be allowed. LIRS should NOT be able to
make profit for selling a public resource.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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