<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">2. I think that’s a bit extreme, but I get the idea. I would rather see it this way:<div class="">If a LIR with a /22 merges with another LIR with a /22, it’s not reasonable to ask them to give it back as they are LIRs from similar size (or they can be asked to demonstrate that they need both).</div><div class="">If a LIR with a /22 is bought by another LIR with a /19, it’s reasonable to « ask » them to give back the /22 in the next 6-12 months as they probably have the space left to renumber.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The rule could be: if the biggest LIR has 4 or 8 times more address space than the smaller LIR, the smallest has to return address space under X months.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Exception: if a LIR with several /16s or bigger merges with another similar-sized LIR, the whole thing should be audited in order to see how many address space they can return.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; 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color: rgb(0, 34, 243); " class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="text-decoration: underline; "><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 10px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 34, 243); " class=""><span class="Apple-style-span"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; text-align: justify; font: normal normal normal 10px/normal Arial; color: rgb(192, 192, 192); " class=""><i class="">Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. </i><b class=""><i class="">IPeva</i></b><i class=""> décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.</i></div><div class=""><i class=""><br class=""></i></div></span></div></span></font></div></span></font></div></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div> <br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Le 17 févr. 2016 à 18:27, Gunnar Guðvarðarson <<a href="mailto:gunni@wave.is" class="">gunni@wave.is</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">1. Yes<br class="">2. Make it so that any /22 allocated from "the last /8" is<br class="">non-transferrible if allocated after a specific date, ever.<br class=""><br class="">That way, if a LIR requests a /22 the subnet is bound to that LIR, if<br class="">the LIR then wants to merge with another company it must return the<br class="">/22.<br class=""><br class="">That way any abuse becomes a very expensive thing to maintain.<br class=""><br class="">And of course require a working IPv6 allocation before assigning<br class="">anything from IPv4.<br class=""><br class="">----<br class=""><br class="">Dear colleagues,<br class=""><br class="">The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to ask the membership to discuss<br class="">the issue of RIPE NCC members opening additional LIR accounts.<br class=""><br class="">There were comments at the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) in November<br class="">2015 that members having the ability to open additional LIR accounts,<br class="">each of which can request a /22 of IPv4 address space, may run against<br class="">the spirit of the last /8 policy. In light of this, the Board decided to<br class="">temporarily suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members to open additional<br class="">LIR accounts.<br class=""><br class="">The RIPE NCC began to allocate IPv4 address space from the last /8<br class="">policy on 14 September 2012. Since that time the RIPE NCC has allocated<br class="">more than 8,600 /22s, yet there remains 0.94 of a /8 still in the pool.<br class=""><br class="">ACTION REQUIRED:<br class="">The Board asks the membership to provide their opinion on and discuss<br class="">the following points:<br class=""><br class="">1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a problem<br class="">that must be prevented?<br class=""><br class="">2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, what action<br class="">should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention?<br class=""><br class="">Statistics pertinent to this discussion are available in this article on<br class="">RIPE Labs:<br class=""><a href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-lir-accounts?pk_campaign=members&pk_kwd=list-ncc" class="">https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-lir-accounts?pk_campaign=members&pk_kwd=list-ncc</a><br class=""><br class="">The Board asks that members discuss this issue on the Members Discuss<br class="">mailing list .<br class=""><br class="">The Board will monitor the discussion and will review it at the next<br class="">Executive Board Meeting on 31 March 2016. Depending on the outcome of<br class="">that meeting, the Board may propose a resolution for members to vote on<br class="">at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2016.<br class=""><br class="">Best regards,<br class=""><br class="">Nigel Titley<br class="">RIPE NCC Executive Board<br class=""><br class="">~ Gunnar<br class=""><br class="">----<br class="">If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br class="">mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br class="">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/<br class=""><br class="">Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>