<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Jerome,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">How do you make the difference between a LIR transferring a /22 to another LIR for money, and a LIR really merging with another LIR ?</div><div class="">You would have to ask for papers about the merger and to know the M&A contractual aspects of each country in Europe.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; 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Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.</i></div><div class=""><i class=""><br class=""></i></div></span></div></span></font></div></span></font></div></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div> <br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Le 18 févr. 2016 à 00:45, Jérôme Nicolle <<a href="mailto:jerome@ceriz.fr" class="">jerome@ceriz.fr</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Hi Niels,<br class=""><br class="">Le 17/02/2016 16:17, Kampen, Niels van a écrit :<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Could be as easy as making the initial /22 of a LIR non-transferable?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">This is one of the smartest things i've read all day, thank you for that.<br class=""><br class="">I do agree that the initial /22 assigned to a new LIR should not be<br class="">allowed for transfer, no matter the context (merge ?).<br class=""><br class="">We'll all be better off if the acquisition of a new /22 to be<br class="">re-integrated into an existing LIR's pool should be more expensive<br class="">thanit's facial market value.<br class=""><br class="">So let's forbid new LIRs from transfer before, well, at least 5 years,<br class="">that should help with regulating this mess.<br class=""><br class="">Best regards,<br class=""><br class="">-- <br class="">Jérôme Nicolle<br class="">+33 6 19 31 27 14<br class=""><br class="">----<br class="">If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br class="">mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br class=""><a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" class="">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br class=""><br class="">Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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