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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You guys are all aware that you can (and have to) unsubscribe yourself the same way you’ve subscribed ?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="NL" style="color:black">If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br>
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Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">With Kind Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dominik Nowacki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rui Magalhães<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 17 February 2016 15:47<br>
<b>To:</b> members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<br>
<b>Cc:</b> new-lir@ripe.net; members-discuss@ripe.net; hostmaster@ripe.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [members-discuss] FW: remove from disscusion email list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black">Can you kindly remove me from this list and discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black">Thanks you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black">Rui Magalhães</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#7F7F7F">Estoril Sol Digital</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black">M (ES): +34 619 618 792</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black">E-mail:
<a href="mailto:rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com">rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com</a></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black">Skype: rmmaga</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> on behalf of Jane Davison <<a href="mailto:jane.davison@foehn.co.uk">jane.davison@foehn.co.uk</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 17 February 2016 at 15:44<br>
<b>To: </b>Omar Dallah <<a href="mailto:o.dallah@dot-jo.com">o.dallah@dot-jo.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>>, 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <<a href="mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net">hostmaster@ripe.net</a>>,
'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <<a href="mailto:new-lir@ripe.net">new-lir@ripe.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Dears,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Yes please can you remove me as well for the discussion email list.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#44546A">I have tried to remove and still receiving many emails which is blocking my inbox.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Many thanks</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Jane
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Omar Dallah<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 17 February 2016 15:42<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dears,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Omar Dallah</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthijs van Seventer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 17 February 2016 16:58<br>
<b>To:</b> BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>; Claudiu Foleanu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hello all,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Matthijs</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="NL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Van:</span></b><span lang="NL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>Namens </b>BOGDAN Orasanu<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53<br>
<b>Aan:</b> 'Markus' <<a href="mailto:universe@truemetal.org">universe@truemetal.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>; Claudiu Foleanu <<a href="mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com">claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com</a>><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="NL" style="color:black">Hi there,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="NL" style="color:black">I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions
of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs
exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="NL" style="color:black">Best regards,<br>
Bogdan Orasanu<br>
Senior Network Administrator<br>
SC Expert Net SRL</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="NL" style="color:black">Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ----<br>
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Hi Markus,<br>
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The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user<br>
contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this<br>
the resources are sold.<br>
It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think<br>
that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold.<br>
And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a<br>
/22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I<br>
have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started<br>
getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone<br>
will do something like this.<br>
We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a<br>
new lir we cannot help in the matter.<br>
We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address<br>
space from Romania with the same issue.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Claudiu Foleanu<br>
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From: members-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
Markus<br>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>; Claudiu Foleanu<br>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC<br>
Members and Multiple<br>
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Hi Claudiu,<br>
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Am <a href="tel:17.02.2016">17.02.2016</a> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:<br>
> No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the <br>
> system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have <br>
> the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit.<br>
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can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away<br>
from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to<br>
give their resources up?<br>
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I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (<a href="http://www.ip.ro">www.ip.ro</a>) from<br>
your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It<br>
seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from<br>
<<a href="https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra">https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra</a><br>
nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics><br>
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Do they have something to do with what you described?<br>
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Cheers<br>
Markus<br>
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