<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">surely your solution would be to get your own LIR rather than “rent” from another if you need that much space? <div class=""> <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Anthony Somerset, Technical Director,<img src="http://cloudunboxed.net/img/email-logo.png" alt="Cloud Unboxed Limited" border="0" width="220" class="">w: <a title="www.cloudunboxed.net" href="http://www.cloudunboxed.net" class="">cloudunboxed.net</a> | e: <a href="mailto:anthony.somerset@cloudunboxed.net" class="">anthony.somerset@cloudunboxed.net</a> | t: +44 (0)33 0088 2444Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressed individual or entity only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then discard this e-mail. Unauthorized copying, sharing and distributing of this e-mail is prohibited. The content in this e-mail does not necessarily represent the views of the company. The addressee should check all attachments for malware; the company makes no representation as regards the absence of malware in attachments to this e-mail.</div> </div> <div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 17 Feb,2016, at 16:45, Claudiu Foleanu <<a href="mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com" class="">claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com</a>> wrote:</div> <div class=""><div class="">Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" class="">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016 um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: <blockquote type="cite" class="">No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. </blockquote>[...] can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (<a href="http://www.ip.ro" class="">www.ip.ro</a>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <<a href="https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra" class="">https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra</a> nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" class="">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. </div></div></blockquote></div> </body></html>