<html dir="ltr"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <style>  </style><style type="text/css" id="owaParaStyle">  </style> </head> <body lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple" fpstyle="1" ocsi="0"> <div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="direction:ltr; font-family:Tahoma; color:#000000; font-size:10pt">please remove me as well. <div style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:#000000; font-size:16px"> <hr tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRpF831941" style="direction:ltr">From: members-discuss [members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] on behalf of David Benwell [dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:53 AM To: Alex Johnson; Omar Dallah; members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list </div> <div></div> <div> <div class="WordSection1"> And us <div> <div style="border:none; border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alex Johnson Sent: 17 February 2016 15:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah@dot-jo.com>; members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list </div> </div> Please could you also remove me from the conversation. Kind Regards <div> <table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" align="left" width="100%" style="width:100.0%; background:white; margin-left:.45pt; margin-right:.45pt"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"> Alex Johnson Professional Services Consultant Office : +44 (0) 330 403 0000 Direct : +44 (0) 7830 104 799 </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <div> <div style="border:none; border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> From: members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <<a href="mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net" target="_blank">hostmaster@ripe.net</a>>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <<a href="mailto:new-lir@ripe.net" target="_blank">new-lir@ripe.net</a>> Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list </div> </div> Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. <div> Regards, Omar Dallah </div> <div> <div style="border:none; border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> From: members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"> members-discuss@ripe.net</a>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple </div> </div> Hello all, LIR�s that don�t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <<a href="mailto:universe@truemetal.org" target="_blank">universe@truemetal.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>; Claudiu Foleanu <<a href="mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com" target="_blank">claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com</a>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia� smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am <a href="tel:17.02.2016" target="_blank">17.02.2016</a> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: > No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the > system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have > the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...] can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ip.ro&d=BQMGaQ&c=jcv3orpCsv7C4ly8-ubDob57ycZ4jvhoYZNDBA06fPk&r=n_y1RRbpD-VL68rW7gewvBKKk09uxxt_qmp9oWVUPzo&m=VGq-RmOflEfux_bjhzF5Q0woBOa6lISw4r3I3X75Szw&s=hzvtF3KGlPtI4Ws42glY73zDxpS_SlCPbeEYH7jaMss&e=" target="_blank">www.ip.ro</a>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ripe.net_manage-2Dips-2Dand-2Dasns_resource-2Dtransfers-2Dand-2Dmergers_tra&d=BQMGaQ&c=jcv3orpCsv7C4ly8-ubDob57ycZ4jvhoYZNDBA06fPk&r=n_y1RRbpD-VL68rW7gewvBKKk09uxxt_qmp9oWVUPzo&m=VGq-RmOflEfux_bjhzF5Q0woBOa6lISw4r3I3X75Szw&s=Cm9o9lV-YOsndKZ_XcWNDkaqrxlG9S1jRek-UnBcHV0&e=" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra</a> nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? 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