<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Why can’t we restrict the new LIR /22 allocation to one per single “legal” entity or someone who does not already have any IP space allocation from RIPE ? would this not make that problem go away for the most part? obviously people are going to always find a way around things like this but at least its a start<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Anthony Somerset,</span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><p class=""><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">Technical Director,</span></p><p class=""><img src="http://cloudunboxed.net/img/email-logo.png" alt="Cloud Unboxed Limited" border="0" width="220" class=""></p><p class=""><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=""><strong class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">w:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" class=""><a title="www.cloudunboxed.net" href="http://www.cloudunboxed.net" class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" class="">cloudunboxed.net</span></a></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>|<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">e: </span></strong> </span><a href="mailto:anthony.somerset@cloudunboxed.net" class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 255);" class="">anthony.somerset@cloudunboxed.net</span></a><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=""> |<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">t:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>+44 (0)33 0088 2444</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 128, 0);" class="">Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.</span></p><p class=""><em class=""><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(128, 128, 128);" class="">This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressed individual or entity only. 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Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a<br class=""> problem<br class=""> that must be prevented?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">+1<br class=""><br class="">I would like to bring to everyones attention that it's obviously already possible to create multiple LIRs under the same company:<br class=""><br class=""># wget <a href="http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt" class="">http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt</a><br class=""># cat alloclist.txt | grep ^[a-z][a-z]. | cut -b 1-6 | uniq -c | sort -rn<br class=""><br class=""> 36 uk.ngs<br class="">...<br class=""> 10 ae.hax<br class=""><br class="">Meaning: If you look at <a href="http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt" class="">http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt</a> in your browser you'll find that "HAX CONSULTANCY DMCC" (HAX as in hack(s)...) has opened 10 LIRs, and "Next Global Services LP" has opened a whopping 36 LIRs. Each has a /22 of course.<br class=""><br class="">HAX uses a gmail address as their LIR address. :-)<br class=""><a href="https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html" class="">https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html</a><br class=""><br class="">NGS is in control of 36.864 IPs. If they sell every IP at a bargain price of 6 EUR per IP they've earned 221.184 EUR. This guys costs were 72.000 EUR one-time (36 x 2.000 EUR setup fee) and 57.600 EUR for the first year (36 x 1.600 EUR) = 129.600 EUR.<br class=""><br class="">221.184 EUR - 129.600 EUR = 91.584 EUR profit made out of thin air. Not bad!<br class=""><br class="">Really, RIPE?<br class=""><br class="">Cheers<br class="">Markus<br class=""><br class="">----<br class="">If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br class="">mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br class=""><a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" class="">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br class=""><br class="">Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>----<br class="">If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br class="">mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br class=""><a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" class="">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br class=""><br class="">Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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