<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">That’s really bad.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Would it be so complicated to ask for some information to new applicants (under NDA if necessary), like projected network map, purchase orders, business plan, (relevant) domain name registration, and so on ?</div><div class="">And of course, to deny applicants with a generic gmail/yahoo/acme email address.</div><div class="">That would make the LIR request process a little bit heavier but at the moment, the whole process is really fast, so I don’t think it would hurt much.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; 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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 10px/normal Arial; color: rgb(0, 34, 243); " class=""><span class="Apple-style-span"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; text-align: justify; font: normal normal normal 10px/normal Arial; color: rgb(192, 192, 192); " class=""><i class="">Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. </i><b class=""><i class="">IPeva</i></b><i class=""> décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.</i></div><div class=""><i class=""><br class=""></i></div></span></div></span></font></div></span></font></div></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div> <br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Le 17 févr. 2016 à 14:27, Markus <<a href="mailto:universe@truemetal.org" class="">universe@truemetal.org</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Am 16.02.2016 um 13:17 schrieb David Treanor:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""> 1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a<br class=""> problem<br class=""> that must be prevented?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">+1<br class=""><br class="">I would like to bring to everyones attention that it's obviously already possible to create multiple LIRs under the same company:<br class=""><br class=""># wget <a href="http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt" class="">http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt</a><br class=""># cat alloclist.txt | grep ^[a-z][a-z]. | cut -b 1-6 | uniq -c | sort -rn<br class=""><br class=""> 36 uk.ngs<br class="">...<br class=""> 10 ae.hax<br class=""><br class="">Meaning: If you look at <a href="http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt" class="">http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt</a> in your browser you'll find that "HAX CONSULTANCY DMCC" (HAX as in hack(s)...) has opened 10 LIRs, and "Next Global Services LP" has opened a whopping 36 LIRs. Each has a /22 of course.<br class=""><br class="">HAX uses a gmail address as their LIR address. :-)<br class=""><a href="https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html" class="">https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html</a><br class=""><br class="">NGS is in control of 36.864 IPs. If they sell every IP at a bargain price of 6 EUR per IP they've earned 221.184 EUR. This guys costs were 72.000 EUR one-time (36 x 2.000 EUR setup fee) and 57.600 EUR for the first year (36 x 1.600 EUR) = 129.600 EUR.<br class=""><br class="">221.184 EUR - 129.600 EUR = 91.584 EUR profit made out of thin air. Not bad!<br class=""><br class="">Really, RIPE?<br class=""><br class="">Cheers<br class="">Markus<br class=""><br class="">----<br class="">If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br class="">mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br class="">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/<br class=""><br class="">Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>