<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>Hi</div><div><br></div><div>I think one thing need to be clarified here, if I am not mistaken, Gert and Sander should confirm this as well, how many LIR can a single entity open is an member issue, how many IP each LIR get, should LIR return address, should v4 allocation request to have v6 in place first etc, is an policy issue need to be discussed in policy mailing list.</div><div><br>在 2016年2月11日，下午5:09，Tim Armstrong <<a href="mailto:tim@treestle.com">tim@treestle.com</a>> 写道：<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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That's not viable yet, have you seen how fragmented th v6 table is,
even Tier 1 ISPs have gaps.<br>
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I would argue that we just reduce the allocation for additional
LIRs. That is if a single legal entity (or it's subsidiaries)
register a new LIR, then the new LIR registered can only receive a
/24 not a /22.<br>
<br>
This way no one would act in bad faith trying to skirt the rules,
and young ISPs still have the ability to grow without feeling
significantly choked.<br>
<br>
-Tim<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/02/16 17:02, Janis Jaunosans
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:56BCB0A2.4080502@streamnetworks.lv" type="cite">just get ipv6.
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On 11/02/16 17:58, Matthias Šubik wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Additionally …
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<blockquote type="cite">On 11.02.2016, at 16:26, Simon Lockhart
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:s.lockhart@cablecomnetworking.co.uk"><s.lockhart@cablecomnetworking.co.uk></a> wrote:
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On Thu Feb 11, 2016 at 04:22:14PM +0100, Sebastian Wiesinger
wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">* Nigel Titley
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:exec-board@ripe.net"><exec-board@ripe.net></a> [2016-02-11 12:02]:
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<blockquote type="cite">2. If this activity is a problem
that must be prevented, what action
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should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention?
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Do not allow additional LIR accounts for a member.
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I would concur.
<br>
<br>
One legal entity, one LIR. This should be easy for RIPE to
implement, given
<br>
that they require evidence of company registration or
equivalent when
<br>
establishing an LIR.
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</blockquote>
Even if it is possible to open more legal entities in the RIPE
region, when requiring an exclusive contact person it makes it
not any harder for really new members, but harder for self
cloning of members.
<br>
<br>
It might even be needed, to require the new contact person to
complete the RIPE course, to slow down abusive behavior.
<br>
The use of a simple nominee is therefor more difficult than
without the course requirement.
<br>
<br>
just my two cents
<br>
Matthias
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