<div dir="ltr">I have few words about IPv6. I'm real fan of IPv6. <div><br></div><div>But actually almost all companies who want last /22 subnet just get IPv6 and do not use it really. From my point of view, you should check real network usage by analyzing BGP routing table.</div><div><br></div><div>In other words each LIR should:</div><div>1) Get new IPv6 subet from RIPE</div><div>2) Announce it and offer IPv6 address for checks</div><div>3) Get last /22 IPv4 subnet</div><div><br></div><div>Almost all "IPv6" subnets received for last months haven't used really. That's bad. </div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jack <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noc@kwaoo.net" target="_blank">noc@kwaoo.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">> RIPE supports reselling of big subnets by providing their Transfer listing service.<br>
> Those networks shouldn’t be sold. They should be returned to the NCC pool and be assigned to providers who need them.<br>
</span>Providers who need them, means, in my opinion, providers who have a wide<br>
IPv6 deployment.<br>
Tough job to appreciate the IPv6 deployement status of a LIR, but I<br>
really think this must be a requirement for getting more IPv4 easily.<br>
<br>
You want IPv4 ? Deploy IPv6, then we will talk. You do not care about<br>
IPv6 ? No v4 for you.<br>
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><br>
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> Von: members-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] Im Auftrag von Pavel Odintsov<br>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Februar 2016 15:42<br>
</span>> An: Radu Brebu <<a href="mailto:dial@dialcube.ro">dial@dialcube.ro</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:dial@dialcube.ro">dial@dialcube.ro</a>>><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br>
<span class="">> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss<br>
><br>
> Hello, folks!<br>
><br>
> That's good conversation. I'm representing VPS service company. We bought multiple /20 and /21 subnets at last 2 years.<br>
><br>
> But actually there really big injustice exists here!<br>
><br>
> I've followed all RIPE guidance and request resources only when they really required for next 3-6 months. I have 95% subnet utilization in each network! All my IP addresses really used.<br>
><br>
> But I known so much LIR's who just ignore RIPE rules and requested bunch of /18, /16 networks many years ago.... just because they can. Right now almost all this networks are on IPv4 market.<br>
><br>
> And I should pay my money to persons which violated RIPE rules for a long time.<br>
><br>
> Than't really weird, isn't it?<br>
><br>
</span><div><div class="h5">> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Radu Brebu <<a href="mailto:dial@dialcube.ro">dial@dialcube.ro</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:dial@dialcube.ro">dial@dialcube.ro</a>>> wrote:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> This is a socialist way of thinking, you are free (ipotetic speaking) to open another lir and satisfy your VPS needs no? some companies prefer to plan their business long term. In my opinion it's not ok to prioritize resources keeping in mind only the need. We are leaving and doing business in a capitalist environment, buying resources it is what is all about.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 02/11/16 16:19, José Manuel Giner wrote:<br>
> I agree with it. We need IPs to continue providing VPS servers, and other LIRs with unused prefixes, no sense...<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 11/02/2016 15:09, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:<br>
> Hi, all.<br>
><br>
> I think, it is better to return unused allocations, received before<br>
> 2012, to the NCC pool.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> Aleksey Bulgakov<br>
> FastTelecom, CEO<br>
> 7 926 6908729<br>
><br>
> 14:02, 11 февраля 2016 г., Nigel Titley :<br>
><br>
> Dear colleagues,<br>
><br>
> The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to ask the membership to<br>
> discuss<br>
> the issue of RIPE NCC members opening additional LIR accounts.<br>
><br>
> There were comments at the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) in November<br>
> 2015 that members having the ability to open additional LIR accounts,<br>
> each of which can request a /22 of IPv4 address space, may run against<br>
> the spirit of the last /8 policy. In light of this, the Board<br>
> decided to<br>
> temporarily suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members to open additional<br>
> LIR accounts.<br>
><br>
> The RIPE NCC began to allocate IPv4 address space from the last /8<br>
> policy on 14 September 2012. Since that time the RIPE NCC has<br>
> allocated<br>
> more than 8,600 /22s, yet there remains 0.94 of a /8 still in the<br>
> pool.<br>
><br>
> ACTION REQUIRED:<br>
> The Board asks the membership to provide their opinion on and discuss<br>
> the following points:<br>
><br>
> 1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a<br>
> problem<br>
> that must be prevented?<br>
><br>
> 2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, what action<br>
> should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention?<br>
><br>
> Statistics pertinent to this discussion are available in this<br>
> article on<br>
> RIPE Labs:<br>
> <a href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-lir-accounts?pk_campaign=members&pk_kwd=list-ncc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-lir-accounts?pk_campaign=members&pk_kwd=list-ncc</a><br>
><br>
> The Board asks that members discuss this issue on the Members Discuss<br>
> mailing list .<br>
><br>
> The Board will monitor the discussion and will review it at the next<br>
> Executive Board Meeting on 31 March 2016. Depending on the outcome of<br>
> that meeting, the Board may propose a resolution for members to<br>
> vote on<br>
> at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2016.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> Nigel Titley<br>
> RIPE NCC Executive Board<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ----<br>
> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br>
> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br>
> <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br>
><br>
> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ----<br>
> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br>
> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br>
> <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br>
><br>
> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov<br>
> CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ----<br>
> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br>
> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br>
> <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br>
><br>
> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
</div></div>Jack<br>
Kwaoo noc<br>
<br>
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<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
----<br>
If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br>
mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br>
<a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br>
<br>
Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature">Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov<br>CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU</div>
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