<div dir="ltr">I'm agree. Complete check is pretty complex. Actually even routing table check for some IPv6 subnet existence will be better than "just receive IPv6 subnet allocation" on the paper. <div> </div><div>For example we could ask LIR to get Atlas probe and use it as IPv6 connectivity monitoring :)</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Oleg Chernov <<a href="mailto:olegch@wildpark.net" target="_blank">olegch@wildpark.net</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi , Pavel, What do you mean by "offer IPv6 address for checks" ? As all of us understand "Announce IPv6" doesn't mean "Use IPv6" ? Announcing IPv6 doesn't require much efforts, isn't it. So method of "checking the use of IPv6" should be strong enough. В письме от Четверг, 11-фев-2016 18:05:29 пользователь Pavel Odintsov написал: <div><div class="h5">> I have few words about IPv6. I'm real fan of IPv6. > > But actually almost all companies who want last /22 subnet just get IPv6 > and do not use it really. From my point of view, you should check real > network usage by analyzing BGP routing table. > > In other words each LIR should: > 1) Get new IPv6 subet from RIPE > 2) Announce it and offer IPv6 address for checks > 3) Get last /22 IPv4 subnet > > Almost all "IPv6" subnets received for last months haven't used really. > That's bad. > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jack <<a href="mailto:noc@kwaoo.net">noc@kwaoo.net</a>> wrote: > > > RIPE supports reselling of big subnets by providing their Transfer > > > > listing service. > > > > > Those networks shouldn’t be sold. They should be returned to the NCC > > > > pool and be assigned to providers who need them. > > Providers who need them, means, in my opinion, providers who have a wide > > IPv6 deployment. > > Tough job to appreciate the IPv6 deployement status of a LIR, but I > > really think this must be a requirement for getting more IPv4 easily. > > > > You want IPv4 ? Deploy IPv6, then we will talk. You do not care about > > IPv6 ? No v4 for you. > > > > > Von: members-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] Im > > > > Auftrag von Pavel Odintsov > > > > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Februar 2016 15:42 > > > An: Radu Brebu <<a href="mailto:dial@dialcube.ro">dial@dialcube.ro</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:dial@dialcube.ro">dial@dialcube.ro</a>>> > > > Cc: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>> > > > Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members > > > > and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss > > > > > Hello, folks! > > > > > > That's good conversation. I'm representing VPS service company. We > > > > bought multiple /20 and /21 subnets at last 2 years. > > > > > But actually there really big injustice exists here! > > > > > > I've followed all RIPE guidance and request resources only when they > > > > really required for next 3-6 months. I have 95% subnet utilization in each > > network! All my IP addresses really used. > > > > > But I known so much LIR's who just ignore RIPE rules and requested bunch > > > > of /18, /16 networks many years ago.... just because they can. Right now > > almost all this networks are on IPv4 market. > > > > > And I should pay my money to persons which violated RIPE rules for a > > > > long time. > > > > > Than't really weird, isn't it? > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Radu Brebu <<a href="mailto:dial@dialcube.ro">dial@dialcube.ro</a><mailto: > > <a href="mailto:dial@dialcube.ro">dial@dialcube.ro</a>>> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > This is a socialist way of thinking, you are free (ipotetic speaking) to > > > > open another lir and satisfy your VPS needs no? some companies prefer to > > plan their business long term. In my opinion it's not ok to prioritize > > resources keeping in mind only the need. We are leaving and doing business > > in a capitalist environment, buying resources it is what is all about. > > > > > On 02/11/16 16:19, José Manuel Giner wrote: > > > I agree with it. We need IPs to continue providing VPS servers, and > > > > other LIRs with unused prefixes, no sense... > > > > > On 11/02/2016 15:09, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote: > > > Hi, all. > > > > > > I think, it is better to return unused allocations, received before > > > 2012, to the NCC pool. > > > > > > -- > > > Kind regards, > > > Aleksey Bulgakov > > > FastTelecom, CEO > > > 7 926 6908729 > > > > > > 14:02, 11 февраля 2016 г., Nigel Titley : > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > > > The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to ask the membership to > > > discuss > > > the issue of RIPE NCC members opening additional LIR accounts. > > > > > > There were comments at the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) in November > > > 2015 that members having the ability to open additional LIR > > > accounts, > > > each of which can request a /22 of IPv4 address space, may run > > > > against > > > > > the spirit of the last /8 policy. In light of this, the Board > > > decided to > > > temporarily suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members to open > > > > additional > > > > > LIR accounts. > > > > > > The RIPE NCC began to allocate IPv4 address space from the last /8 > > > policy on 14 September 2012. Since that time the RIPE NCC has > > > allocated > > > more than 8,600 /22s, yet there remains 0.94 of a /8 still in the > > > pool. > > > > > > ACTION REQUIRED: > > > The Board asks the membership to provide their opinion on and > > > discuss > > > the following points: > > > > > > 1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a > > > problem > > > that must be prevented? > > > > > > 2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, what action > > > should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention? > > > > > > Statistics pertinent to this discussion are available in this > > > article on > > > > > RIPE Labs: > > <a href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-l" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-l</a> > > ir-accounts?pk_campaign=members&pk_kwd=list-ncc> > > > The Board asks that members discuss this issue on the Members > > > Discuss > > > mailing list . > > > > > > The Board will monitor the discussion and will review it at the next > > > Executive Board Meeting on 31 March 2016. Depending on the outcome > > > of > > > that meeting, the Board may propose a resolution for members to > > > vote on > > > at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2016. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Nigel Titley > > > RIPE NCC Executive Board > > > > > > ---- > > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > > > > general page: > > > <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> > > > > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > > > > here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > > ---- > > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > > > > general page: > > > <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> > > > > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > > > > here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > > -- > > > Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov > > > CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > > > > general page: > > > <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> > > > > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > > > > here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > > > > > -- > > Jack > > Kwaoo noc > > > > More details about KWAOO can be found at: > > <a href="https://as24904.kwaoo.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://as24904.kwaoo.net/</a> > > > > ---- > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > > general page: > > <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> > > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > > here, you can add or remove addresses. -- </div></div>Best regards, Oleg A. Chernov OAC4-RIPE WildPark ISP, Nikolaev, Ukraine +380512 709555 +380512 470555 </blockquote></div> <div> </div>-- <div class="gmail_signature">Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU</div> </div>