<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Elvis,</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Actually it was about community policy. And that's not about added NCC budget. </div> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br style="display:initial"></div> <div style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>Elvis Daniel Velea</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, 29 March 2015 17:07</div><div><b>To: </b>Brandon Butterworth; members-discuss@ripe.net</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2016</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Brandon,<br> <br> I do not really believe that the purpose of this discussion has ever been garbage collection.<br> It may seem like that but I doubt it.<br> <br> As Daniel pointed out, there are stats showing that the RIPE NCC has been allocated 25624(AS16)+5632(AS32)= 31256 out of which 4128 are not assigned yet.<br> That makes it 27128 assigned ASNs. If each would have a (very low) 50E fee, that would bring ~1.35M Eur additional budget to the RIPE NCC which could be spent on outreach or could be used to lower member fees.<br> I think that is the discussion we are having and I believe this has always been the reasoning for the presentation at the GM and the noise on the mailing list.<br> <br> I also think we should forget about garbage collection in ASN16 because it will never happen. If companies/LIRs ever decide to hand ASN16 back, it's only because they want to, nobody will be able to 'force' them, either by adding a fee to the ASN or by chasing them when the ASN is not in use.<br> <br> From my point of view, ASN16s, once depleted (and we are still a couple of years from that moment), will have a value and will be traded.. if you need one to be able to use communities in BGP, you buy one... otherwise, you get a 32bit from the RIPE NCC for free.<br> <br> This is my last reply on this topic, I think I have made myself very clear.<br> <br> Regards,<br> Elvis<br> <br> On 29/03/15 15:24, Brandon Butterworth wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:201503291324.OAA28007@sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk" type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I'm not that sure anymore, the AS transfer policy is being implemented and ASN16s will soon have a value once the free pool is depleted. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">People have learnt from v4 that you don't give up scarce things. One day people will pay for them, and as I said the other week if you want to garbage collect them you'd have to charge a high price to make it worth giving up (or pay as others have suggested) and people won't vote for that. A 50 Euro fee is way too low to do it and a pointless complication to the simplified charging scheme. I also doubt the unadvertised figure gives the whole picture, some will be used privately (no idea how many). 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