<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"/></head><body style="font-family:Geneva,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">> other then educating members to be caution and require what they need Best education method is an invoice. I sure that all memebers know that resurces are limited. -- Aleksei Ivanov LeaderTelecom 28.03.2015 16:35 - Lu Heng wrote: <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt" type="cite">And for unused resources, it has been discussed heavily in the past as well but we all know how it ends up in reality, other then educating members to be caution and require what they need, I didn't think there is a practical way to get these unused AS number back. On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Lu Heng <h.lu@outsideheaven.com> wrote: > Hi Gert: > > I fully understand your point, but I also feel a bit tried of seeing > this huge "fee" discussion every year in which might be good idea just > to leave it as it is. > > p.s. I still get ticket system reply while sending to member list, but > seems it has getting much better(I only got 2 reply instead of 6 or 7 > replies in the past). > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 02:06:17PM +0100, Lu Heng wrote: >>> I really think the RIPE fee are low enough that not even getting to be >>> considered to be part of business expense(almost 100 euro/month, my >>> personal gym member fee was like that), consider the large growth of >>> member base for upcoming years and Ripe has no plan to increase staff >>> as far as I hard from what said in last GM, the fee will keep >>> dropping, I think most member would agree there is no real need to >>> change it in term of financial reason. >> >> The total amount is actually not what Sander and I are upset about. >> >> It's really about the inherent conflict between the RIPE NCC being >> tasked to implement community policy and at the same time being paid >> by commercial members, which might have a different view on priorities, >> and the NCC board being caught in between. >> >> (And to a certain part, frustration with the actual community that always >> needs financial incentives to do the right thing, namely: return unused >> resources, like AS numbers) >> >> Gert Doering >> -- NetMaster >> -- >> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? >> >> SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard >> Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann >> D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) >> Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > > > > -- > This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above. > It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or > otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use > of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the > intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this transmission in error, please notify this office immediately and > e-mail the original at the sender's address above by replying to this > message and including the text of the transmission received. -- This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above. It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify this office immediately and e-mail the original at the sender's address above by replying to this message and including the text of the transmission received. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" target="_blank" title="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.</div></body></html>