<html><head></head><body data-blackberry-caret-color="#00a8df" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Simple way to stop them spamming: talk to friends, find one that is using them for IP transit and ask them for a favour :) terminate with Cogent due to constant unsolicited calling to LIR contacts on the RIPE DB. It's a very 'Arab' solution but this kind of cooperation between friendlies will eventually have an impact :) </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">F. </div> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br style="display:initial"></div> <div style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div id="_persistentHeader" style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>William Weber</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Friday, 13 June 2014 15:25</div><div><b>To: </b>members-discuss@ripe.net</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [members-discuss] Cogent uses RIPE DB for spam</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252">It probably won't stay one only tho, Cogent reps cycle like monthly and just call again and again (at least thats what Cogent Germany does with me, plus annoying on Linkedin by each and any rep)<div><br></div><div>This also seems to depend on your market, Cogent in secondary markets (like Austria) seems to be more inclined to annoy ISPs than the Tier1 locations (Amsterdam, Fra..)</div><div><br><div> <div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>--</div><div>William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh</div><div><a href="mailto:william@edisglobal.com">william@edisglobal.com</a> | <a href="mailto:william@edis.at">william@edis.at</a> | <a href="http://edis.at/">http://edis.at</a> | <a href="http://as57169.net/">http://as57169.net</a></div><div>EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC</div><div>Graz, Austria</div><div><br></div></div></span></span></div></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div> <br><div><div>Am 13.06.2014 um 14:22 schrieb Dominik Nowacki <<a href="mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk">dominik@clouvider.co.uk</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; 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If verification is required please request a hard-copy version.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a> [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>William Weber<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>13 June 2014 13:18<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [members-discuss] Cogent uses RIPE DB for spam<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Not surprised, some IP brokers do the same and annoy me - The used hardware sellers are also already jumping on the RIPE DB contacts...<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Maybe it's time to remove phone numbers from objects and just keep mail... something for some WG at one point<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">--<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><a href="mailto:william@edisglobal.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">william@edisglobal.com</a> | <a href="mailto:william@edis.at" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">william@edis.at</a> | <a href="http://edis.at/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://edis.at</a> | <a href="http://as57169.net/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://as57169.net</a> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Graz, Austria<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Am 13.06.2014 um 14:12 schrieb Andrei Kushnireuski <<a href="mailto:ipas.master@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">ipas.master@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Hi Colleagues,<br><br>First of all, happy Friday 13 =)<br><br>Cogent uses RIPE DB for phone spam. My colleague just received a phone call from +31204621445 with IP Transit offer. Colleague's phone number is published as admin-c in RIPE DB only.<br><br>For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info?<br><br>Thanks.<br><br>-<br>Andrei Kushnireuski<br>AK1065-RIPE<br>regID: cz.alfatelecom<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>----<br>If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br>mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br><a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/</a><br><br>Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.</div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div><br></div></body></html>