Hi All, I think that post hits the nail on the head perfectly. I guess if so many of us feel this way we should investigate the Ripe framework to see if there is something that can be done to create positive change. This would be a great short/medium term solution however we all must look to support ipv6 natively. Merry Christmas, Oliver <div class="gmail_quote">On 16 Dec 2013 09:39, "RIPE" <<a href="mailto:ripe@centronet.cz">ripe@centronet.cz</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hello, everyone who says "IPv4 is gone" is living in his/her dreams, denying reality and IPv4 market (and those mentioned average 2 letters/IPv4 requests per day). It may be true for some, but it obviously isn't for others, no matter reasons. While I understand IPv6 propagation, I don't think that punishing/discriminating small IPv4 holders in need for a few more IPs is right. Actually, releasing those big unused IPv4 blocks might have much better impact for IPv6 development, while the small ones would appreciate "a few more C" and it may even be enought for a few more months/years this way. While I must admit I'm not sure how to do this, some fee for IP addresses sounds like natural way. So I must agree, if you are happy IPv6 user who had no problems to move from IPv4 (or started at IPv6 directly) and doesn't need IPv4 addresses anymore, just return them all and you can stop to care about it and less lucky us. You may even have it cheaper. Saying that you don't need IPv4 because you have IPv6 already sounds like "I don't have this problem so I don't want/need it to be solved and I don't care about others" to me. Or in worse case, it may even be "I like current state because I own those big blocks and I have profit from it". Nothing personal here, I wasn't screening anyone and I don't accuse anyone. Just annoyed from all those "IPv6 solves everything" announcers who are, at same time, so much against returning of any unused IPv4 space. Thanks for your understanding. Merry Christmas to everyone Matej Vavrousek CentroNet, a.s. -----Original Message----- From: <a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On Behalf Of Andrea Cocito Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:42 PM To: Gert Doering Cc: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC On Dec 12, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>> wrote: > IPv4 is *gone*, get over it. No matter of discussion here or elsewhere > will bring back IPv4 in quantities needed to "last forever", so all you > are doing is postponing the inevitable, and burning lots of effort and > money in the denial phase. Right, then if the fee scheme is changed in that way there will be no problem for LIRs who have millions of IPv4 addresses allocated to release them and save money :) A. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view</a> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view" target="_blank">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view</a> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. </blockquote></div>