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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear William, <br>
I do understand your concern and
appreciate that if you can take directly with RIPE NCC, instead of
its members. <br>
<br>
You have all the rights to ask for clear allocation, but probably
your forum is wrong. Because no members are part of allocation in
the RIPE. <br>
<br>
Thanks for understanding <br>
<br>
With Regards <br>
<br>
Sourish <br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/21/2013 06:47 PM, William Weber wrote:<br>
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I have no issue at all with Lu or his company - I have no issue
with ISPs having a /8 either, if the justification is valid.
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</div>
<div>I have an issue with allocations and assignments that seem to
be incorrect/wrong and that there is no way to verify possible
misusage that can only be verified by a single party (=RIPE),
don't forget: i TRIED to work this out with RIPE.</div>
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</b></div>
<div>If the allocations are valid (and we see the proof for this)
then i let him go, that's all i want - Currently we get nothing
from RIPE (not even a confirmation that they *will* audit, that
is *ALL* i wanted. Nothing more.).</div>
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<div dir="auto">Giving all the information with possible
unlawful activity you might involved with(the reason
government would investigate about you), I am very
doubtfully wonder your profession and what is your really
involvement with us. And why you need to run away from
Europe.</div>
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6, now sit down and Google what Tor is and what a Tor exit does
and how it helps the global community and in SPECIAL also the <b>Chinese
users</b>.</div>
<div>Why i "run"? (Trust me, if i wanted to run i'd be far gone in
Africa by now.) Because the EU is a joke (and my political views
are mine, you have no right to ask) and as Jew i have the right
to migrate to Israel at any time, so this is the way of least
resistance.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Last but not least, if you are not speaking
for EDIS, and if your company are not yet a Ripe member, I
think it is inappreicate for you to post in this list, as it
is only for members.</div>
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I could post under my LIR or another one, why would that matter
to you? I could've also posted it in a forum outside of RIPE,
and that out of pure generosity so that RIPE can do this
internal.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks for the support. I also wonder where
this guy is coming from and what really is his problem with
our business, as we really has nothing to do with him at
all. and I personally has been actively involved in the Ripe
policy working group for many years, we would seriously obey
every Ripe policy, and end of the day, I see nothing wrong
as playing the game fairly.</div>
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<div dir="auto">What i have to do with you? I see you announce 2
(TWO!!) RIPE /15 in the ARIN region so i report you to RIPE and
escalate after ignoring, i see this as fully legitimate and as
right for any RIPE member and non RIPEmember to report policy
violating usage as obviously recommended by RIPE also. While
doing this i obviously also check the background and report what
i have to RIPE so they have more starting points for an
investigation/audit.</div>
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<div>Am 21.11.2013 um 17:52 schrieb H.Lu <<a
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<div>Hi</div>
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<div>For information:</div>
<div>Just to be clear to every member, nor my company or
me personally receive any message William has sent to us
before, the only message I have read from william was on
14th Feb,2012, he replied my treads regarding member
fees in the member mailing list.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>And as I state in the last Email, I am at RIPE,
AFRINIC,LACNIC,ICANN,IGF,and many other internet
meetings, so I am not a guy not reachable, you can
easily attend any of the meetings and talk to me in a
coffee break. I believe many active members in the list
can proof that for me. You might not remember my name, I
am the big Chinese guy always being around in every Ripe
meeting---and most time the only Chinese there as well.
So if someone wants to talk to me, really don't need to
go that far all the way to China to finds me, I live in
the Europe, and I have been told I am more european
thinking than Chinese by many people:)</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>For William:</div>
<div>Giving all the information with possible unlawful
activity you might involved with(the reason government
would investigate about you), I am very doubtfully
wonder your profession and what is your really
involvement with us. And why you need to run away from
Europe.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Both <span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969);
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227,
0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77,
128, 180, 0.230469); ">Slovenia/Austria are subject to
European Law, and as my very limited knowledge about
it, it is unlawful to obtain third party private
financial information without court permission--even
for any countries' government. I believe any level of
LIR audit shouldn't involved illegal information or
research about private company or private person's
confidential information. This is way too far beyond
simple Ripe's policy. I would appreciate fellow
members does not support such unlawful investigation
going on as if let it goes on, every of us might one
day being disclose your private company data and your
personal financial information just because other
people think you have a bit bigger IP range than him.</span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26,
26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color:
rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
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0.230469); "><br>
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<div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26,
26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color:
rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180,
0.230469); ">Last but not least, if you are not
speaking for EDIS, and if your company are not yet a
Ripe member, I think it is inappreicate for you to
post in this list, as it is only for members. But you
still can post on the policy mailing list, and we are
very happy to hear what policy experts has to say
about our activity, although we are very carefully
read though every policy and make sure our activity
does not conflicts with Ripe policy, due to the scale
of our operation, we might miss one or two things, and
if it has been pointed out, we are very happy to
correct it.</span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26,
26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color:
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<div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26,
26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color:
rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180,
0.230469); ">For Christian:</span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26,
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26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color:
rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469);
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180,
0.230469); ">Thanks for the support. I also wonder
where this guy is coming from and what really is his
problem with our business, as we really has nothing to
do with him at all. and I personally has been actively
involved in the Ripe policy working group for many
years, we would seriously obey every Ripe policy, and
end of the day, I see nothing wrong as playing the
game fairly.</span></div>
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<div><br>
Kind regards
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lu</div>
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<div><br>
On 2013-11-21, at 下午1:12, William Weber <<a
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Hello together,
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<div>So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr.
Lu, why were my previous contact tries ignored?
<div><br>
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<div>I was in fact <b>AT YOUR ADDRESS</b> in Holland
in 2012, nobody there - I would have someone sent to
your address in China also, but that one is unclear
described.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>>I wondering where you have the inaccurate
income data about me personally and my private
company as well</div>
<div>I do not need to share any sources (what is
this, the PLA?), all data was obtained legally in
my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria - I
can not vouch for correctness but in the past it
was usually near the expected.</div>
<div>Not like your data is secret in the
Netherlands.</div>
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<div dir="auto">making an criminal
charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate
publish our private income data in the public
space without supporting evidence are very
serious offense under european law, although my
lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter,
I insists my self to write here just because I
would appreciate member's understanding and
community's support.</div>
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<div dir="auto"><br>
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</div>
<div>
<div>I'm not sure what gives you the idea that
Dutch law would be applicable to me in
Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that
Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot
extradict citizens)?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is
fully legal to make, even the implication of it
would be - The RIPE ticket system is also not
the public and neither is the mailing list, it
is a closed system.</div>
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</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You can sue me all you want, i have not much to
loose currently, and once cleared move to Israel
which does neither extradict nor care much about
Europe.</div>
<div>The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012
and 2013, the Austrian police investigates my
financial transactions, the Polish police wants to
see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong
authorities are not amused, my phones and internet
is taped, i am being followed by the Austrian
police.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an
image, you (and no one else) can threaten me with
"law" anymore.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will reply more lenghty later, because even
though the Austrian government does not like me they
still send me invitations to broadband expansion
forums and force me to attend and speak.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY
violate RIPE policies with the ARIN routing and
others - So *you* are the one that should explain
himself, not me.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is also a note: <b>The statements here are
fully personal or statements of my own companies,
not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR i
represent.</b></div>
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<div>Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" <<a
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<div>We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry
for mistyping English.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>we followed all the process in the Ripe
region, and I personally involved and
participated in the Ripe policy development
process,<br>
<br>
To inasset network:</div>
<div><br>
I wonder how you as single organization define
"best interest of ripe member" and justifying
other member's IP usage?<br>
Kind regards
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lu</div>
</div>
<div><br>
On 2013-11-21, at 下午12:26, "Administration - [
inAsset Networks ]" <<a
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Good Afternoon (in Europe)
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<div>Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities
closely, and see if RIPE NCC takes action in
the event the use of your assigned space is
not in the best interest of its members.</div>
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<div>For now, we would like to know why you are
announcing RIPE NCC space in ARIN.</div>
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<div>El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu <<a
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escribió:</div>
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<div>Hi:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What a surprise morning.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think it was talking about me and
my company.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To clarify few things, the
justification process of our application
took very long in ripe NCC and I believe
ripe NCC investigate about us heavily in
the major service we provided at the
time of it being justified. and
corruption claim are very much
inappreicate and I would ask you
apologizes to Ripe NCC.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Me as individual as been actively
involved in the ripe community in past 5
years, and I believe most active member
in the list knowing me personally.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I wondering where you have the
inaccurate income data about me
personally and my private company as
well. as it can not be obtain legally
and the data was not correct. I
personally owing quite few companies
worldwide but they are all private
companies I do not feel the need to
share our financial details publicly.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Most part of our business are
confidential so sorry we can not provide
more details here, like every request,
Member base are trusting Ripe NCC to
make the right decision at the time of
application. That is how business really
works, only Ripe NCC has rights to
getting into confidential area of
member's business, otherwise I believe
every member would have to publish </div>
<div> every detail about their business to
the public.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And I would ask if you do have more
questions for me, as long as it is not
confidential, I'd like to share my
stories with you. Please do not bother
Ripe NCC for this matter any more.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>At this point, Ripe NCC are just a
book keeper for its members and Ripe
community, they are not police force, if
you do feel we have some unlawful
practice--thought I seriously doubt
about it, please contact related law
enforcement and we are very happy to
assist in the matter with them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Last but not least, as I just had
phone call with my lawyer, making an
criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC,
inaccurate publish our private income
data in the public space without
supporting evidence are very serious
offense under european law, although my
lawyer strongly suggest him to write the
letter, I insists my self to write here
just because I would appreciate member's
understanding and community's support.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let me know if you still have more
questions.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div><br>
Kind regards
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lu</div>
</div>
<div><br>
On 2013-11-21, at 上午11:05, William Weber
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As RIPE seems to have decided that i can
be ignored and no one needs to reply to
me i make this public now as threatened
to them before - See Dear Andrew, i
don't care what you say - if you don't
reply me with anything useful then i
take steps to get others involved.
<div>This is not the first time i
reported a LIR for evaluation and was
ignored.<br>
<div><br>
<div>I waited over a month for any
reply and sent multiple follow up
mails, no replies and the ticket
is "open" in the Lirportal, now
the last reply i got was again
useless and without any interest
(No Andrew, i cannot use the
LIR<>LIR report form to
report LIR<>RIPE, i can't
even enter that there.)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Theres some more fun to be had,
here's a text i prepared before i
sent my mail to RIPE after some
investigations (which merely took
10 minutes time and a few calls to
some associates) - Now, isn't that
proof enough for an evaluation?</div>
<div>I think so and the other LIRs i
represent do as well, but make
your own picture.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>
<div>Today we follow an
interesting 'ISP' which is based
on a sole-trader in the
Netherlands which managed to
have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign
him IPv4 space totaling to a /8:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>His name is Heng Lu, also
known as "OutsideHeaven" - <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://outsideheaven.com/">http://outsideheaven.com</a></div>
<div>Seemingly based in the
Netherlands Lu is of Chinese
origin and does (as far as
informations go) not live in
Europe at all.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>First being a customer of OVH
and having his IP space
announced on OVHs AS now most
space seems to be announced by
Los Angeles based ISP Multacom
(AS35916).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A short view on the website
shows that no real services are
provided yet massive amounts of
IPs are registered to him
personally, him as sole trader
or his companies at all RIRs:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic -
1.048.574 IPs</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is an AFRINIC net
assigned to a company in the
Seychelles ("Abacus (Seychelles)
Limited"), the Person handle and
mail shows the connection to
OutsideHeaven.</div>
<div>The network itself contains
smaller assignments, all with
the descr of "CloudInnovation
infrastructure" and various
countries set (AD, SD, YT….),
most IPs are not announced at
all and seem unused.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070
IPs</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A RIPE network from 2012.09
announced by Multacom in LAX
outside of the RIPE region.</div>
<div>Seems unused.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000
IPs</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>RIPE network dating to
2012.07 (Just 3 months after the
/15 was allocated, exactly the
timeframe RIPE required a space
to be used in to get a new
one…), announced on OVH.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE -
131.070 IPs</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yet another RIPE network from
2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?)
announced by OVH on France,
unused as well.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000
IPs</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Allocated 2010.11 - Announced
by a datacenter in the
Netherlands, unused.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000
IPs</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2011.04 - Announced in
LAX/Multacom.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>List (not complete, there is
more smaller assignments on
him):</div>
<div>154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic -
1.048.574 IPs</div>
<div>185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024
IPs - 2012.09</div>
<div>5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE -
131.070 IPs - 2012.09</div>
<div>5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534
IPs - 2012.07</div>
<div>37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE -
131.070 IPs - 2012.04</div>
<div>31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534
IPs - 2011.04</div>
<div>46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534
IPs - 2010.11</div>
<div>178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE -
4096 IPs - 2010.06</div>
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<div>And who verified that
these 2 analysts were not
bribed... i know guys
buying /12s by bribing
AFRINIC officials (in
fact, the same LIR as this
mail is about "bought"
space there also,
154.80.0.0/12) and this
isn't unheard in
LACNIC/APNIC either, so
what tells me RIPE
did/does not do the
same...</div>
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<div>Sorry, but this is not
really any better now:</div>
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<div>This guy "accidentally"
sits in Amsterdam as well,
not even far from you,
being Chinese(!) with
barely 3000EUR income
reports filled 2012/2013
in the Netherlands for his
BVs and his sole trader
status and has one of the
largest total</div>
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entire RIPE region? </div>
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<div>How can he announce
2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an
ARIN ASN in Los Angeles
while i and others got
contacted by RIPE about a
measly /24 on an ARIN
ASN? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Why do his assignments
make no sense, look auto
generated and never
contain any end-user data?
Why was this not verified
at add-alloc?</div>
<div><br>
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<div>How does he use over a
million IPs on a 100Mbit
uplink to his upstream
provider? </div>
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<div>This all is still very
fishy and not really
impressive...</div>
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<div>Am 08.10.2013 um
11:55 schrieb Andrew
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William, <br>
<br>
We take your
allegations very
seriously. As such,
your ticket has been
escalated to me by
Andrea Cima, manager
of the RIPE NCC's
Registration Services
Department. <br>
<br>
Before the RIPE NCC
reached the last /8 of
IPv4 address space, we
implemented a
temporarily enhanced
allocation procedure
to ensure a fair,
neutral and
well-documented IPv4
run-out.<br>
<br>
This procedure was
communicated to our
membership and
community at meetings,
via the Address Policy
Working Group Mailing
List, and via our
website. You can find
the complete
description at: <br>
<a
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href="https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf">https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf</a><br>
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Measures were taken to
ensure our members'
needs were filled on a
first-come,
first-served basis,
and to ensure that we
followed due
diligence. Each
request was evaluated
by two IP Resource
Analysts. Furthermore,
all large requests
(/15 PA or /18 PI or
more) were rigorously
evaluated by
Registration Services
Management, checked
for policy compliance
by our Policy
Development Officer,
and were finally
approved by two RIPE
NCC Senior Managers. <br>
<br>
The IPv4 requests you
have listed followed
this process
completely and, based
on the information we
received, were
entirely justified. <br>
<br>
If you have any
further questions,
please feel free to
contact me. <br>
<br>
Kind regards <br>
<br>
Andrew de la Haye<br>
Chief Operations
Officer<br>
RIPE NCC <br>
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Singel 258<br>
1016 AB Amsterdam<br>
the Netherlands<br>
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<div>Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29
schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster
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Dear William,<br>
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As requested I have escalated
your complaint to the RIPE NCC
Senior<br>
Management.<br>
<br>
They will come back to you
ASAP.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Andrea Cima<br>
<br>
RIPE NCC<br>
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<br>
On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37
+0200, William Weber wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear
Andrea,<br>
<br>
So if there is no proof for
a bribe you do as it does
not exist at all?<br>
Why did no one tell me this
before, i would have come
with a suitcase of cash to
AMS... Seriously, this
statement is worse than what
3rd world dictators state
all the time about
bribery...<br>
<br>
Considering that RIPE
members have no access to
other RIPE members add-alloc
(or any other) forms it is
also entirely *impossible*
to prove lies in them (hey,
how should i do that if i
can't read them at all?) -
Thus it clearly is your
obligation to verify this
claims OR provide the
accuser with access to a
system to verify it himself.<br>
<br>
It is by itself alone VERY
suspicious that the single
largest allocation for weeks
is allocated 8 days before
the last /8 is reached to an
unknown sole trader without
any business.... yes, i
think i have enough 'proof'
to get this verified by the
RIPE, please escalate it to
whoever you think is
appropriate or i will do so
myself today at 00:00 via
the RIPE mailing list to ALL
members.<br>
<br>
Mit freundlichen Grüßen /
Best regards,<br>
William Weber<br>
<br>
--<br>
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NOC<br>
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Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52
schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster
<<a
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<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
Dear William,<br>
<br>
All allocations are issued
based on RIPE policy and
documentation that<br>
demonstrates the need for
those resources. The
information provided by<br>
members is confidential
and cannot be shared with
other members. <br>
<br>
If you have proof that a
member has provided false
information to the<br>
RIPE NCC, please provide
us this proof. Based on
this we can then<br>
start evaluating the
claims and take
appropriate actions. The
same<br>
counts for your accusation
of a RIPE NCC emloyee
having received a<br>
bribe, which is a very
serious accusation, that
we do not take<br>
lightly.<br>
<br>
Finally it seems there is
a misunderstanding about
the date on which<br>
the RIPE NCC has reached
its last /8 policy. The
correct date is 14<br>
September 2012. Please
find the official
announcement at:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html">http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html</a><br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Andrea Cima<br>
Registration Services
Manager<br>
RIPE NCC<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013
13:49:32 +0200, William
Weber wrote:<br>
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at.edisgmbh (and
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Yes, i have to complain
again to evaluate
someone....<br>
<br>
LIR is nl.outsideheaven<br>
<br>
I am 100% sure that the
allocation of his
netblocks have either
used false data in the
add-alloc forms, plain
lies or bribes (which i
see as the most likely)
- His company has no
trading activity in any
country (verified with
Dutch and Chinese tax
authorities) and nothing
that would justify the
usage of this amounts of
IPv4 space.<br>
His usage of some of
them also violates RIPE
rules, most are for
example not even
announced inside the
RIPE region but
originate from AS35916
(Multacom in Los
Angeles, USA) solely.<br>
The assignments while
RIPE already reached the
last /8 are very
questionable as well and
overturning a members
and board decision.<br>
<br>
185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE -
1024 IPs - 2012.09<br>
-> Announced in the
ARIN region entirely,
not RIPE<br>
<br>
5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE -
131.070 IPs - 2012.09<br>
-> Announced in the
ARIN region entirely,
not RIPE<br>
-> How was he able to
obtain a /15 5 months
AFTER RIPE reached the
last /8?<br>
<br>
5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE -
65.534 IPs - 2012.07<br>
-> Announced in the
ARIN region entirely,
not RIPE<br>
-> How was he able to
obtain a /16 3 months
AFTER RIPE reached the
last /8?<br>
<br>
37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE -
131.070 IPs - 2012.04<br>
-> How was he able to
obtain a /15 1 month
AFTER RIPE reached the
last /8?<br>
<br>
<br>
31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE -
65.534 IPs - 2011.04<br>
-> Announced in the
ARIN region entirely,
not RIPE<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
/ Best regards,<br>
William Weber<br>
<br>
--<br>
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NOC<br>
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