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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/08/2012 17:34, Jon Morby wrote:<br>
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<div>On 2 Aug 2012, at 16:36, Rob Golding <<a
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objection isn't even on the current method if "sizing",
but on the 7%</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica;
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!important; float: none; ">541,000 on RPKI for a "routing
database" because (apparantly) people dont</span><br
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(which costs 844,000) - and hasnt the project</span><br
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No it hasn't been canned. It was approved by the membership (by a
fairly narrow margin) at the last GM. <br>
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RIR - what advertising does it need to do ?</span><br
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It's not advertising. RIPE NCC doesn't advertise. But it does do a
lot of work (as do the other RIRs) on explaining to Govts and other
bodies that the internet works quite well as it does and that the
whole thing shouldn't be handed over to the ITU (which is a serious
threat, although less serious than it was, largely due to the work
that RIPE et al have been doing). This is what is meant by
"outreach".<br>
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presumably the usb "dongles" project - why exactly</span><br
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Because the members seem to want it. If the members come out in
large numbers and tell them not to do it then it will stop.<br>
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<div>agreed 100%<br>
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However, note that although the budget has increased by 7%, the
spending per member (adjusted by the rate of inflation) has actually
decreased, as the number of members has risen.<br>
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Nigel<br>
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