<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dear Alexey,<div><br></div><div>WIND uses by far *more* than 5mil IPs - They are the second largest access provider in Italy, in fact they are so short already that they run NAT now...</div><div><br></div><div>Case 3.:</div><div>Yes, unused BUT legacy - I think you did not understand that the RIPE (and no other RIR) has *ANY* authority over this networks - Neither RIPE, nor ARIN, not even ICANN, can force these to return their space.</div><div><br></div><div>Case 5,6,7,8.:</div><div>There are maybe some routes inside this network, who knows - it could may be returned.</div><div><br></div><div>Case 9/10.: </div><div>These are used.</div><div><br></div><div>This spaces are mainly very, very, very old (new registrations JUST after RIPE was established) - PI was completely different handled back then (nearly anyone used PI instead of PA)...</div><div><br></div><div>--<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><div>William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh</div><div><a href="mailto:william@edisglobal.com">william@edisglobal.com</a> | <a href="mailto:william@edis.at">william@edis.at</a> | <a href="http://edis.at">http://edis.at</a> | <a href="http://as57169.net">http://as57169.net</a></div><div>EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC</div><div>Graz, Austria</div></div></div></div></span></span> </div> <br><div><div>Am 27.07.2012 um 10:12 schrieb LeaderTelecom Ltd.:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="font-family:Geneva,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">Dear William,<br> <br> <pre style="margin-top: 0px; padding: 1em 2em 1em 1em; white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; background-color: rgb(233, 246, 247); color: black; font-family: Consolas, Inconsolata, 'DejaVu Sans Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Courier New', monospace; overflow: auto; line-height: 1.25em; ">> I think you confuse a lot of things here and your information is flawed, > these are *not* RIPE objects, these are ARIN spaces which just happen to > have a route and inetnum object in the RIPE DB (see ARIN DB, which is > authoritive for HP and Daimler networks)... </pre> O! Yes, thank you. This 2 in ARIN DB for now.<br> <br> <pre style="margin-top: 0px; padding: 1em 2em 1em 1em; white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; background-color: rgb(233, 246, 247); color: black; font-family: Consolas, Inconsolata, 'DejaVu Sans Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Courier New', monospace; overflow: auto; line-height: 1.25em; ">> WIND Legacy (151.3.0.0/16 and .4-.95.0.0/16 on AS1267 ASN-INFOSTRADA)</pre> They have routes, but not pay for this resource to RIPE. May be all this IPs in use. But I very sceptical that they use all 5 miliones IPs. Anyway they don't pay for this resources. And it is Legacy right now.<br> <br> <strong>> Case 3. Inetnum: 51.0.0.0</strong><strong><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); ">/8 (16 777 216 IPs ).</span> </strong><strong>EARLY-REGISTRATION. <br> > UK Government Department for Work and Pensions.</strong><br> > a) <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); "><strong>For free (legacy).</strong></span><br> > b) This network doesn't have any routes. <br> <br> What about this /8 network? It is legacy and doesn't have any routes.<br> <br> <strong>> Case 5. Inetnum: 163.62.0.0 - 163.116.255.255<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); "> ( 3 604 480 IPs )</span>. <br> > ASSIGNED PI. Electricite de France.</strong><br> > a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this<br> > resource <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); "><strong>only 50 EUR.</strong></span><br> > b) This network doesn't have any routes. <br> <br> The same.<br> <br> Do you need another examples?<br> <br> Case 6. Inetnum: 171.28.0.0 - 171.30.255.255 ( 196 608 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Global Crossing.<br> a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR.<br> b) This network has routes for part of space ( 171.30.0.0/16).<br> <br> Case 7. Inetnum: 193.244.0.0 - 193.245.255.255 ( 131 072 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. KBC Group NV<br> a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR.<br> b) This network doesn't have any routes. <br> <br> Case 8. Inetnum: 148.252.0.0 - 148.253.255.255 ( 131 072 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA)<br> a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR.<br> b) This network doesn't have any routes. <br> <br> Case 9. Inetnum: 161.89.0.0 - 161.90.255.255 ( 131 072 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Atos Origin.<br> a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR.<br> b) This network has routes.<br> <br> Case 10. Inetnum: 157.28.0.0 - 157.29.255.255 ( 131 072 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. BT Italia S.p.A. (formerly Albacom S.p.A)<br> a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR.<br> b) This network has routes.<br> <br> I suggest to stop charge 50 EUR for each PI resource. We have a lot of examples when company can use more than 100 000 IPs and pay 50 EUR to RIPE. And we have a lot of LIRs which pay 2000 EUR Sign-up Fee and 1300-1800 EUR every year and use 512-1024 IP. The contribution from membership and value are too different.<br> <br> <div> -- <br> Alexey Ivanov<br> LeaderTelecom Ltd.</div> </div>----<br>If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br>mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br><a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view</a><br><br>Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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