<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1>At risk of giving away state secrets, some of UK Gov’s 51/8 is indeed used, just that you can’t see it.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>I don’t believe that membership charging scheme should be influenced in any way by the “IPv4 conservationists”. Member fees are for member services, and nothing else. Yes, the bigger players should contribute *slightly* more, so we can keep the fees competitive for new entrants (more members = better for everyone), and there can be ways to “encourage” fair play.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Now let’s hear no more of this “charge-per-IP” nonsense…<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><div>Kind regards<o:p></o:p>Jamie Stallwood<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Jamie Stallwood <o:p></o:p>Security Specialist<o:p></o:p>Imerja Limited<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Tel: 0844 225 2888<o:p></o:p>Mob: 07795 840385<o:p></o:p><a href="mailto:Jamie.Stallwood@imerja.com">Jamie.Stallwood@imerja.com</a><o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>NIC Handle: uk.imerja.JS7259-RIPE<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>*Personal opinion disclaimer goes here*<o:p></o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of LeaderTelecom Ltd. Sent: 27 July 2012 00:12 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Cc: Nigel Titley Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Probably Free /8 networks in RIPE region<o:p></o:p></div></div><o:p> </o:p>Dear Members, Here is some examples why current charging scheme and new draft is not so good for Members and why we have to move to charging scheme based on count of used IPs. <snip> Case 3. Inetnum: 51.0.0.0/8 (16 777 216 IPs ). EARLY-REGISTRATION. UK Government Department for Work and Pensions. a) For free (legacy). b) This network doesn't have any routes. <snip> It is just a small amount of problems which we have right now. We have a lot of free IPs, but we don't use them. /8 for 50 EUR? This is cost of current (and new) charging schemes. How to get free IPs back to RIPE? Just charge some money for each IP. Thats all. If customer don't need IP - he will return back to RIPE and may be we will get 3-5 /8 back to RIPE which we can distribute between members who realy need it. <snip><o:p></o:p></div> Finalist - MicroScope ACEs Managed Service Provider of the Year 2012 Finalist - MicroScope ACEs Vertical Market Reseller of the Year 2012 Finalist - Network Computing Awards 2012 Finalist - UK IT Industry Awards 2011 Finalist - Computing Security Awards 2011 Runner Up - Network Computing Awards 2011 Imerja Limited Tel: 0870 8611488 | Fax: 0870 8611489 | 24x7 ISOC: 0870 8611490 | Web: www.imerja.com Registered Office: Paragon House, Paragon Business Park, Chorley New Road, Horwich, Bolton BL6 6HG Registered in England and Wales No. 5180119 VAT Registered No. 845 0647 22 ISO Registered Firm No. GB2001527 P Do you need to print this email? Please consider the environment. This email is confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to which it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s) you should not use, copy, distribute or take any action or reliance on it, since to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by email reply and delete it from your system. E-mail messages are not secure and attachments could contain software viruses which may damage your system. Whilst every reasonable precaution has been taken to minimise this risk, Imerja Limited cannot accept any liability for any damage sustained as a result of these factors. You are advised to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not represent those of Imerja Limited unless otherwise stated. </body></html>